Nice day ... for a head scarf (2015, condo, home)

[SageCats]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

Are you for real?

Why? Would it be really wrong to challenge people to break the status quo and do something empowering? I thought that's what Bernie Sanders encourages?

[SageCats]

This is from an official Islam site that educates people about Islam:
Responsibility of Hijab for Man and Woman | The Islamic Hijab (Veil) | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org

Please, explain to me how there is anything progressive about this? Look at what women are subjected to? Christianity is also really ****ed up but modern christianity went through reformations and women don't have to adhere to the Old Testament or anything the way muslim women are forced to in the Quran.

[ABQConvict]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

How do you feel about babushkas and Harley bandanas? Those okay?

I find babushka kerchiefs to be divisive. I can never be a grandma and so I hate when they just flaunt it, pushing their little carts or carrying their grocery bags with their snazzy, but elegantly simple, head coverings. It's an affront to everything that makes America great.

And as for the Harley bandanas, I couldn't bring myself to such levels of cultural appropriation since I drive a pick-up.

[SageCats]

That's disingenuous... Harley Bandanas and Babushka scarves do NOT have the same meaning as a Hijab.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by SkySofiaLila

That's disingenuous... Harley Bandanas and Babushka scarves do NOT have the same meaning as a Hijab.

Oh. Huh.

[modernist1]

Originally Posted by SkySofiaLila

I completely understand... I don't think anyone else here really understood what you were trying to say... I saw people accusing you of being intolerant and one person even called you "donald" (even though what Bill Clinton said to BLM is far worse than what the Donald said about muslims and mexicans... but I digress.)

Modernist didn't say anything intolerant. In fact, he said they're perfectly free to do so. Sure, we can say "why do you care what they wear?"

Now, let's look at it this way... imagine you saw a bunch of white people dressed in prairie clothes like the FLDS women are forced to do... what would you say? You'd call them religious nuts, right?

Many of the women who wear hijabs are forced to wear them by the ultra-patriarichal religion they belong to. Many of them have no choice. They probably would face abuse and cruelty if they chose to remove it, if they're already not facing that at home.

It always baffled my mind why the left chooses to support anything that restricts freedom and liberty - especially womens' rights. In countries in the middle east, women are not allowed to go to school and learn. The Quran forbids it much like the Old Testament forbids it. Why is Islam being defended? Hijabs and Niqqabs are awful, dehumanizing garbs meant to keep women in line. Instead of promoting freedom, equality, and feminism this shames women into thinking they are immodest, their bodies are shameful, and that they should know their place in society.

I was walking down the street and passed an elderly muslim couple. The woman was walking about 5 feet behind her husband. As I passed her, the woman immediately turned away from me and put a scarf up to her face in order to show modesty. I felt very sad for her. What a horrible way to live thinking that the mere sight of your face would be considered immodest. That was very, very sad.

Criticizing religion is not lack of practicing tolerance. All religion is stupid. All religions only serve to bring us backwards in time. All religion is disempowering no matter how much "hope" it brings you. Women are the ones who suffer the most - especially under abrahamic religions.

Imagine a world without religion? We'd all get along much better.

Yes, liberals defending an oppressive and regressive belief system like Islam is ironic and vaguely absurd. It's because they misguidedly see adherents as some kind of 'underdog'. I'm reminded of a situation several years ago in the Netherlands - the local council was accommodating a group of refugees. Well intended social workers were doing their best to help a group of the oppressed. All went swimmingly until the migrants pushed for a separate entrance for the women. What's a good liberal to do?

[SageCats]

Originally Posted by modernist1

Yes, liberals defending an oppressive and regressive belief system like Islam is ironic and vaguely absurd. It's because they misguidedly see adherents as some kind of 'underdog'. I'm reminded of a situation several years ago in the Netherlands - the local council was accommodating a group of refugees. Well intended social workers were doing their best to help a group of the oppressed. All went swimmingly until the migrants pushed for a separate entrance for the women. What's a good liberal to do?

They would keep defending these practices of oppressing women in the name of tolerance and "multiculturalism". After all, nothing can be worse than what white people do... or did 150 years ago when we had slavery. Never mind that whites were the first to push an end to slavery worldwide.
Look at what's happening in Europe with sexual assaults and violence - particularly against women. Public service announcements are being made and circulated about how to treat women and behave in public. People are also being jailed for speaking out against Islam. Why is this okay?
I'm convinced that some of these people defending these ideologies would continue to defend them even if their heads were being cut off.
I'm not saying ban Islam or any religion (although we'd see strides in social progress of we did do away with religion.) I'm saying that these ideologies are harmful, extremely oppressive, and really should have no place in the civilized world.

[smashystyle]

Originally Posted by SkySofiaLila

After all, nothing can be worse than what white people do... or did 150 years ago when we had slavery. Never mind that whites were the first to push an end to slavery worldwide.

I suspect slaves were the first to push an end to slavery.

I know that religion spurred the abolition of slavery. Look at William Wilberforce. Or Harriet Beecher Stowe. Abolitionism was largely founded upon Christianity.

[04kL4nD]

Originally Posted by SkySofiaLila

Why? Would it be really wrong to challenge people to break the status quo and do something empowering? I thought that's what Bernie Sanders encourages?

Bernie Sanders is an idiot.

[modernist1]

Originally Posted by SkySofiaLila

They would keep defending these practices of oppressing women in the name of tolerance and "multiculturalism". After all, nothing can be worse than what white people do... or did 150 years ago when we had slavery. Never mind that whites were the first to push an end to slavery worldwide.
Look at what's happening in Europe with sexual assaults and violence - particularly against women. Public service announcements are being made and circulated about how to treat women and behave in public. People are also being jailed for speaking out against Islam. Why is this okay?
I'm convinced that some of these people defending these ideologies would continue to defend them even if their heads were being cut off.
I'm not saying ban Islam or any religion (although we'd see strides in social progress of we did do away with religion.) I'm saying that these ideologies are harmful, extremely oppressive, and really should have no place in the civilized world.

Yes, and the least of things is why the hell the apparent deference for oppressive superstitions? Again, it's a paradox that the knee-jerk liberal contingent would be offended. As you suggest, if they ain't white they're a victim. An non-bromidic glance might inform one that the 'victim' is sometimes the oppressor.