The Affordable Housing Shortage Hits Dallas Almost As Hard As California Metros (Montclair: renters, buying a home)

[JJonesIII]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

What is this^? Wayyyyyy too much emotion, your posts tend to be that way. I dont know how old you are but do you think cyberbullying strangers online is going to win an argument? Lol@the yawnworthy attempt at snark.

Furthermore there are countless articles from TXs largest and most respected media outlets about an affordability crisis...I'll let them all know they are wrong and you are right. lol.


So in fact, lower to moderate income Californians moving to Texas thinking theyll find an abundance of cheaper housing might be in for an unpleasant surprise.

Not sure why that fact upsets you so.

Ahh, now supplying math is cyberbullying and being emotional. Got it. I'll stick with numbers. If you can ever refute that (and I'm still waiting despite your deflection attempts), by all means give it a try. I won't hold my breath on it when someone tries to paint the highest COL metros (i.e. SF and San Diego) in the country as no different than a municipality in Texas. Completely laughable.

I think we should all find someone today that's making around $50k and encourage them to rent/buy a 1bd in San Francisco with the reasoning that financially it will feel no different than being in Dallas and making $28k. It should be fun to see the look on their face.

Yep, everyone should stay in the Bay Area and buy/rent these affordable houses and apartments





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[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by JJonesIII

Ahh, now supplying math is cyberbullying and being emotional. Got it. I'll stick with numbers. If you can ever refute that (and I'm still waiting despite your deflection attempts), by all means give it a try. I won't hold my breath on it when someone tries to paint the highest COL metros (i.e. SF and San Diego) in the country as no different than a municipality in Texas. Completely laughable.

Again with the strange emotional and confrontational tone. Oy vey.

Ive provided actual data and media sources for everything Ive said..you provide a bad attitude.

And what's completely laughable is how you completely close your eyes to the fact that Im talking about lower and moderate income folks...people below average.

The poor represent the biggest chunk of Californians moving to Texas.

No one said housing there is as bad as here, but its rapidly becoming more difficult to find affordable housing there too. This is now a national problem btw, and it might be more extreme here, but that's no consolation to people struggling to find a place there.

Yep, everyone should stay in the Bay Area and buy/rent these affordable houses and apartments

Never said that.

But in light of the fact that cheaper housing is the number 1 reason Californians are moving to TX, why is it bad to shed light on what the rental market is actually like there?

Like, are you a Texas land developer or part of the Dallas Chamber of Commerce?

[JJonesIII]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Again with the strange emotional and confrontational tone. Oy vey.

Wow, now words have tones. And yes, I can see by that chart how much harder living in Dallas would be. And at $49k vs $350k, I'd say it's like being hit with a feather compared to a sledge hammer.

Back to Bizarro World.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by JJonesIII

Wow, now words have tones. And yes, I can see by that chart how much harder living in Dallas would be. And at $49k vs $350k, I'd say it's like being hit with a feather compared to a sledge hammer.

Back to Bizarro World.

Er I'm talking about poor people looking for a place to rent and your talking about average income people that are homebuyers.

And I posted several articles and news stories to back up it all up. It is a real issue there.

And you respond with a picture of an Asian gentleman.

[JJonesIII]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Er I'm talking about poor people looking for a place to rent and your talking about average income people that are homebuyers.

And I posted several articles and news stories to back up it all up. It is a real issue there.

And you respond with a strange picture of an Asian gentleman.

Numbers

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by JJonesIII

Numbers

Yes the numbers show that while housing is less expensive than San Francisco, affordable housing has gotten much less attainable in Dallas and it's getting worse.

...In Dallas-Fort Worth, the Harvard study shows nearly 90 percent of people earning under $15,000 are burdened by housing costs. But even people making up to $75,000 are burdened by housing costs.

This isn’t just a problem that’s affecting poorer Texans. It’s affecting even the middle class. When you see housing outpace income across all levels, it creates this problem where even people making decent incomes are having a harder and harder time finding places they can afford to live.

Between 2000 and 2015, Dallas-Fort Worth saw the biggest increase – more than 1 million people – in the number of residents living in high concentrations of poverty. Those are neighborhoods where at least 20 percent of residents live below the federal poverty threshold. What are the effects of that?

Housing advocates are worried about those statistics. There are a lot of studies that show when you live in high concentrations of poverty, it makes it that much more difficult to climb the socio-economic ladder. You’re more likely to stay at those lower-income levels. So, when the number of high-poverty neighborhoods increase, that alarms a lot of advocates.

In Texas, Finding Affordable Housing Is Tougher Than Ever, Study Finds | KERA News

[JJonesIII]

Yawn, let me know when you can show how getting that home in Dallas is comparable to the hardship faced by someone in SF. You sure like to dodge, Cowboy...lol.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by JJonesIII

Yawn, let me know when you can show how getting that home in Dallas is comparable to the hardship faced by someone in SF.

Actually every single article and vid Ive posted demonstrate that people who are low income are struggling to find a place to live in Dallas.

You think comparing Dallas to SF is supposed to end the discussion but it doesnt because wealthy or even middle income San Franciscans generally arent really moving to Texas--its largely lower skilled, lower earning people that leave CA for TX.

You sure like to dodge, Cowboy...lol.

Im just grateful you didnt put up another pic of a man's head

Anything else?

[JJonesIII]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Actually every single article and vid Ive posted demonstrate that people who are low income are struggling to find a place to live in Dallas.

You think comparing Dallas to SF is supposed to end the discussion but it doesnt because wealthy or even middle income San Franciscans generally arent really moving to Texas--its largely lower skilled, lower earning people that leave CA for TX.


Im just grateful you didnt put up another pic of a man's head

Anything else?

Oh this conversation was over many posts ago as you can't supply a single thread of evidence proving that a lower income person would have as hard a time renting or buying a home in Dallas vs one of the major metropolitan areas of CA. I'm just having a good laugh watching you try and dance your way out of what was a flawed and stupid premise from the start. Clearly you're not a numbers guy.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Yes the numbers show that while housing is less expensive than San Francisco, affordable housing has gotten much less attainable in Dallas and it's getting worse.

...In Dallas-Fort Worth, the Harvard study shows nearly 90 percent of people earning under $15,000 are burdened by housing costs. But even people making up to $75,000 are burdened by housing costs.

This isn’t just a problem that’s affecting poorer Texans. It’s affecting even the middle class. When you see housing outpace income across all levels, it creates this problem where even people making decent incomes are having a harder and harder time finding places they can afford to live.

Between 2000 and 2015, Dallas-Fort Worth saw the biggest increase – more than 1 million people – in the number of residents living in high concentrations of poverty. Those are neighborhoods where at least 20 percent of residents live below the federal poverty threshold. What are the effects of that?

Housing advocates are worried about those statistics. There are a lot of studies that show when you live in high concentrations of poverty, it makes it that much more difficult to climb the socio-economic ladder. You’re more likely to stay at those lower-income levels. So, when the number of high-poverty neighborhoods increase, that alarms a lot of advocates.

In Texas, Finding Affordable Housing Is Tougher Than Ever, Study Finds | KERA News

And I'd add that while, housing costs are a lot lower in the Metroplex, so are wages, which accounts for the affordability gap in the DFW area.