12-11-2011, 07:13 PM
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Craigslist's SV studio / room for rent listings are slim.What are the best sources to locate SV studios / FROGs / room for rent listings (i.e. is there some small local paper that hasn't popped up on my radar yet)?
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12-11-2011, 08:21 PM
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No FROGs here
FROG is an east coast term and not used in the west
. I believe that it stands for "Finished Room Over Garage". We tend to call those rooms "Bonus Rooms" and since alot of SV housing is older, many don't have BR's or call them that.
Unfotunately CL (aka Craigslist) is the number one place for housing. Some folks use padmapper, but I believe that site just pulls info from CL. Using CL will give you an idea of what's available and at what prices, but if you find anything nice today, chances are that none of them will be available next summer when you get here.
Good luck
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Craigslist's SV studio / room for rent listings are slim.What are the best sources to locate SV studios / FROGs / room for rent listings (i.e. is there some small local paper that hasn't popped up on my radar yet)?
12-12-2011, 11:55 AM
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FROG is an east coast term and not used in the west
. I believe that it stands for "Finished Room Over Garage". We tend to call those rooms "Bonus Rooms" and since alot of SV housing is older, many don't have BR's or call them that.
Unfotunately CL (aka Craigslist) is the number one place for housing. Some folks use padmapper, but I believe that site just pulls info from CL. Using CL will give you an idea of what's available and at what prices, but if you find anything nice today, chances are that none of them will be available next summer when you get here.
Good luck
LOL Is it really? Guess my East Coast is already showing through. lol That would explain though why when I search for "FROG" in CA no ads come up. lol
Thanks so much! I'll try padmapper (never heard of it!) and if there aren't any great local CA papers full of wonderful ads (we have one here, but it's just a tiny local east coast paper) I'll keep stalking CL, and I suppose raise my budget for housing.
12-12-2011, 09:25 PM
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The other term you hear on the west coast is 'mother-in-law' unit.
12-13-2011, 12:40 AM
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Yes 'Mother-in-Law' or MIL is used here on the west coast, but they are rather rare and many times folks use the term MIL or Studio when in fact all they have is a glorified shed in their backyard
I'm thinking when I get some free time maybe later this month, that I will write a "Craigslist 101" thread in the Renting section of CDF (City Data forum) to help folks navigate CL and hopefully minimize their chance of being scammed
$700 / 1br - 1BR/1BA Apartment - Saratoga (saratoga) Date: 2011-12-07, 10:01AM PST
1 Bedroom studio in Saratoga executive home. Opens out to the pool and lush garden area Private entrance thru backyard Small patio to call your own
Bank Mill Rd
Scammer's reply:
Steven Morgan ( morgan.steven21@xxxxx.com )
Currently in the UK for business and its long term,my wife just came down here about 3days ago that's why am renting out the apartment...me and my wife have discussed how to go about renting it out to someone responsible without actually meeting the person,which is not something i feel very comfortable with,but we do need someone to take care of it,so let me know if you still want to further,then we'll go from there
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The other term you hear on the west coast is 'mother-in-law' unit.
12-13-2011, 09:38 AM
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When we moved here we placed an ad on Craigslist in the "housing wanted" list. I got a ton of replies from landlords. You may find you get exactly what you want by this method. Be warned though - you will learn new meanings for words such as "immaculate" and "updated", the rental market here is insane. Often Landlords wait for tenants to move out, and then rent out the vacant property for immediate occupancy. They will not hold it for you. They can ask ridiculous rents for average properties. We were able to snap up our rental last year because we could come up with DOUBLE the security deposit + first months rent. So @ $2700/month, we had to give our landlord a check for $8100 prior to move in. This was for a 1650 sq ft townhome in the Westgate area.
12-13-2011, 12:49 PM
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$700/1bdr in Saratoga is a scam by definition
12-15-2011, 11:50 PM
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dclamb3
LOL Is it really? Guess my East Coast is already showing through. lol That would explain though why when I search for "FROG" in CA no ads come up. lol
Thanks so much! I'll try padmapper (never heard of it!) and if there aren't any great local CA papers full of wonderful ads (we have one here, but it's just a tiny local east coast paper) I'll keep stalking CL, and I suppose raise my budget for housing.
I'm from the East Coast originally and I've never heard of a FROG. The term is definitely not used in CA.
Welcome to Silicon Valley. Let me give you the lowdown on the apartment/housing market here. It is always in chronically short supply, which means rents are a rip off. That's partly because the area is built up. Partly because NIMBYs, who don't want new housing (esp. apartments) built in their precious neighborhoods, will block any and all new development. Then you have the environmentalists who block any and all new development for environmental reasons (A lot of the enviros are NIMBYs in disguise, IMO). Then you have the fact that local governments don't get much tax revenue from housing of any kind, so they have no financial incentive to build it.
To top it off, a lot of the apartments in the Silicon Valley area are large, cookie cutter complexes owned by corporate landlords (as opposed to "mom & pop" landlords) who will squeeze tenants for every last dollar.
Probably your best option is to rent a room here and take your time looking for an apartment. Personally, I'd stay away from the larger apartment complexes if possible (hard to do since they dominate the apartment market, but not impossible if you rent a room and take your time looking).
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$700/1bdr in Saratoga is a scam by definition
$700 for even a
studio anywhere in SV is a scam, let alone a 1BR in Saratoga.
12-16-2011, 12:14 AM
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You know it's a SCAM and I know it's a SCAM but....
how would the OP or someone else not familiar with this area/SV know that it's a scam
? That's why the best source for housing (Craigslist) needs to be scrutinized over many months to get a good feel for what's REAL
and what's SCAMMERS
.
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$700/1bdr in Saratoga is a scam by definition
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$700 for even a studio anywhere in SV
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People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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No FROGs here
. I believe that it stands for "Finished Room Over Garage". We tend to call those rooms "Bonus Rooms" and since alot of SV housing is older, many don't have BR's or call them that.
! The other term that is used on occasion is 'Pool House', but those are difficult to come by and rather expensive. What many people do here in the bay is block off an area or room of their home (sometimes the master bedroom) and call it a studio with private entrance.
You know it's a SCAM and I know it's a SCAM but....
? That's why the best source for housing (Craigslist) needs to be scrutinized over many months to get a good feel for what's REAL 
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