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H99, I am with you on phones. I do not like the precedent that is being set: have a smartphone in order to participate in the system. It begins as a necessity to participate in the system, and ends with being a necessity in order to live (as in literally keeping your body alive with resources).
Well I reject that. There is no justification for governments and their corporate buddies to digitally tag their human livestock. To be clear, I don't dislike mobile phones as a computer form facter. The form factor would be quite convenient. It is that there are no mobile phones in existence today which are not designed to harm their users.
OT: One of the best tells that a service is for normies is when it asks for a phone number. Rather than try to bend over backwards appeasing tyrants, I find it best to simply refuse whatever service has made this imposition. There is usually some decentralized system which does the same thing, often better, albeit with far fewer users. Totally unrelated video
Well no, there is a law stating online businesses cannot discriminate against it's customers. Im a customer and eventually I won't be able to access my account because I don't have a mobile phone in order to receive a text, therefore they are saying if I don't have a mobile phone eventually I cannot use my paypal. This could be similar to if fast food joints do not accept an order because the customer doesn't have a mobile phone but does have a phone. Someone would have a case against those fast food joints for refusing him as a customer when he has a phone number. Although paypal is not refusing me, when I eventually get locked out again, I can phone their 800# and they will fix it temporarily to allow me to log in, but then the same problem eventually occurs again. Maby this is harassing?
ANYWAYS I already got my first reply from Paypal. She informed me to REMOVE my mobile phone number and keep my landline number. But there is no option to remove that mobile number, only options are to add another number or change it and changing it can only change the number and not remove it. I'll now send another message and ask how to remove it. Google says: "To remove a phone number, tap the number, scroll down and tap Remove."
There is NO remove option to tap.
What type of computer are you running? Are you on Windows 10 by any chance? If so, I have Windows 10, just did a search of the app store, there is a texting app you can install called text now. It appears to be the only one that Windows 10 offers. If you use Google Chrome, there are probably extensions that offer texting. That would at least give you a work around because it gives you an actual number that will be able to get texts. My daughter uses text now when she can't afford to pay her cell phone bill. It works well.
I agree with charlygal. She's thinking that the verification you're clicking "not now" for is to actually verify the house number that is currently listed as a cell phone. In order to get the house phone showing as a cell phone off of your account, you have to call paypal to do it since there is no option to do it yourself, you can only change it. Once you get it off, it will stop asking for verification of that "cell" number.
There are other options in addition to text now. You can buy a cheap, used cell phone but do not add service to it. You would install the text now app on it and it will do the job. My daughter belongs to buy and sell Facebook groups where she's bought used cell phones and tablets cheap. There's also Facebook marketplace. She just bought her 4 year old daughter a used ipad mini for $30. Something like that would do the job if you wanted to buy a new device that would be dedicated for you to be able to receive text codes because as others have said, everyone is going to be requiring it. It's just a matter of time. If you don't have Windows 10, consider buying a dedicated device. If you're on an apple product, search itunes to see if there is a texting app.
Are you on gmail? Google also has an authentication app that I use with my tablet because my tablet doesn't have a textable phone number. I run a very popular Facebook page with over 50,000 followers, so Facebook makes me secure my account more so then anyone else. They've also made me send in my drivers license to prove who I am because of my page. When Facebook needs to text 2 step verification, some how this google app can get the code. If you're on Gmail then you have a Google account to use the authenticator app.
Thankfully there are easy ways around it if for some reason you can't get the house phone off of your paypal account. I stopped having one a few years ago. I just pay ebay sellers directly with my credit card. I'm glad it's an option now because I don't want paypal again.
Corporate America along with our government is driving the consumer towards an all electronic paperless society. It is not so much a bad thing it is just being driven by technology and innovation.
More and more I am being asked to submit either an email address or cell phone so that a company or a government entity can send me a text or email so that I will submit a two factor authentication.
Lowes is consistently trying to trick me into paperless billing. They send an email which looks like an ad although it notified me in small print unless I opt out by a certain date I will no longer get a bill in the mail.
I just took a COVID-19 test for an out patient procedure and received a text telling me I had to go to download an app on my phone. Sure enough it was on the Google Play Store and while I really did not want to I did input my name and birthday I received a message of a negative test.
While I am pretty tech savvy, as a Baby Boomer who spent a generation with up close and personal customer service (live people) it can be a bit frustrating now with so many business going full out electronic. I will adapt but I still miss the days where I could speak to a real person on the phone or in person to help me iron out a problem or inquire about a service.
I see a lot of responses that say it is time to get with the times, while this is true business's are dictating how we do business with them as consumers. We have been with Bank of America since 1989 when it was Barnett Bank. Their in person in bank availability is rapidly diminishing and their push for mobile banking is ever increasing. With the amount of electronic transactions we have set up (pay, mortgage, investing) it is not a chore I want to do right now to switch banks. Again for those of us that have lived through the days when you stopped at the insurance agency on the way home from work made a change to your policy and picked up your paperwork the new reality of trying to reach a real person or leaving a voicemail and hope they get back to you and then having to print out your policy and insurance cards as they have went paperless is tough getting used to the new normal.
On another note there are apps to download where you get a number and you can text.
While I am pretty tech savvy, as a Baby Boomer who spent a generation with up close and personal customer service (live people) it can be a bit frustrating now with so many business going full out electronic. I will adapt but I still miss the days where I could speak to a real person on the phone or in person to help me iron out a problem or inquire about a service.
It's inevitable. 50 years from now most of us here will be gone and newer generations, who have never seen a paper statement or made a voice support call, will be here complaining about the demise of bills that you pay and auto debit for all bills becoming mandatory. Actually, some of us may live to see that.
"And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name."
What you take into your hand, you also take into your heart & mind (ie: Forehead).
Short Version: It's no-longer a question of 'when' this is to happen to us...
...it has BEEN happening since the invention of the 'Brick' phone, way back in the 80's.
Digital (paperless/coinless) currency is next...
...and (exactly) which country has been operating with such/similar 'state-run' economy ?
Answer: the very same country which quietly developed (AND deployed) 5G communications-technology...
...AND the Covid virus.
Even more sobering: This was foretold several millennia-ago.
For what it's worth, enjoy your lives (and your 'perceived' freedoms) however you see-fit...
Well no, there is a law stating online businesses cannot discriminate against it's customers. Im a customer and eventually I won't be able to access my account because I don't have a mobile phone in order to receive a text, therefore they are saying if I don't have a mobile phone eventually I cannot use my paypal. This could be similar to if fast food joints do not accept an order because the customer doesn't have a mobile phone but does have a phone. Someone would have a case against those fast food joints for refusing him as a customer when he has a phone number. Although paypal is not refusing me, when I eventually get locked out again, I can phone their 800# and they will fix it temporarily to allow me to log in, but then the same problem eventually occurs again. Maby this is harassing?
ANYWAYS I already got my first reply from Paypal. She informed me to REMOVE my mobile phone number and keep my landline number. But there is no option to remove that mobile number, only options are to add another number or change it and changing it can only change the number and not remove it. I'll now send another message and ask how to remove it. Google says: "To remove a phone number, tap the number, scroll down and tap Remove."
There is NO remove option to tap.
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Originally Posted by len ren
Well, alot of people in Florida have Paypal but I agree, if this thread is not in the correct forum, can an ADMIN please move this thread to a more suitable sub forum.
Notice as you said, gender identity was LATER added to the list of discrimination years after 1964. This means there are endless ways people can be treated differently and unfairly compared to others. Guys into metal may be discriminated against based on the music they listen to especially if its death metal, yet I don't see that on the 1964 list either. What if an ebay seller learned an ebay buyer buys porn on ebay, does that seller have the right to refuse to sell items to that buyer since its not on that discrimination list? If that seller refused to sell to a porn buyer, YES that would in fact be discrimination and that buyer would have the right to sue. And yes people can also be treated differently and unfairly if they don't have a mobile phone like in my case and it takes just 1 person to launch a law suit. So in reality, discrimination goes way, far and beyond 1964 with any possibility of being treated differently and unfairly for whatever possible reason. The law needs to be updated. Funny that even in 1964, that discrimination law discriminates because it should be on the basis of any possible reason and NOT restricted to just 6 reasons.
GOOGLED: "Can I sign up for PayPal without a mobile number?
-While you can create a PayPal account without a number or bank account, this blocks the fund withdrawal, defeating the point of having an account."
"Don't have a mobile phone? - PayPal Communityhttps://www.paypal-community.com › td-p
May 13, 2019 — Unfortunately it is not currently possible to use PayPal without a mobile phone number attached to your account."
Sorry thats called discrimination, Paypal are denying the rights of individuals to fully use their paypal account ON THE BASIS that they don't have a mobile phone when they do in fact have a phone number where the verification and contact can be made, therefore anyone can sue Paypal. Whats next, you must only have a smart phone or a smart phone in a golden case? Are they trying to push the sales of those devices onto people or what?
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Its understandable that stores can have a policy that people must be fully clothed and wear shoes to enter, BUT if a store had a policy that did not allow a man to enter if he wore pink or purple shoes, or running shoes, well that would fall under discrimination because hes willing to wear shoes but of a different color or kind. Same thing with phone numbers. You need a phone number in order to join Paypal because verification is required to send a security code to that number that is on such account. The code can absolutely be sent to a landline phone number thats on the account where the person will hear the code when he picks up the phone in order to confirm it online through his account, but to have a policy that the phone can only be of a certain type such as a mobile or smart phone falls under discrimination and someone could file a complaint against Paypal with whatever department or site that handles such complaints, or even bring it to court to have Paypal and others change their policy.
None of your examples are illegal discrimination. Your choice is to either get a mobile phone for PayPal to text you, or quit using the service.
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It's inevitable. 50 years from now most of us here will be gone and newer generations, who have never seen a paper statement or made a voice support call, will be here complaining about the demise of bills that you pay and auto debit for all bills becoming mandatory. Actually, some of us may live to see that.
Already schools are no longer required to teach cursive writing, but do require keyboarding. I have not written a check in years, and recently got a personal loan online with digital signature and that required Adobe Acrobat. No use fighting it, eventually people will have to succumb to technology unless they go live off-grid in Alaska.
Already schools are no longer required to teach cursive writing, but do require keyboarding. I have not written a check in years, and recently got a personal loan online with digital signature and that required Adobe Acrobat. No use fighting it, eventually people will have to succumb to technology unless they go live off-grid in Alaska.
Quills with dipping ink and parchment with sand to dry the ink is no longer used either. 78s were replaced by LPs and 45s, which were replaced by cassettes and 8-tracks, which were replaced by CDs, which were replaced by mp3s and so on and so forth.
Carrying your books stacked up on top of each other has been replaced by backpacks.
Inline skates replaced roller skates with keys to tighten them to your shoes.
Cars replaced horse and buggy, and refrigerators and electric freezers replaced a block of ice that you bought off a truck that came down your street every week.
Progress will progress, whether you choose to progress with it or not.
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