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...However, with the communist/fascist style government in this state...
Dude, you've been spewing random crazy crap all over this thread. And I rarely come here and even more rarely reply, but I really just have to point this out:
Communism and Fascism are completely different and on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Communism is what happens when the left runs amok and Fascism is what happens when the right runs amok. They literally cannot be happening at the same time. Communism says that the people should own everything and the govt supports the "common people's will" and Fascism states that the govt knows best and should guide and control the people. They are polar opposites.
So I guess I understand that you're cranky and want to rant about how evil WA state govt is, they really only lie on one side of the spectrum: the left "communist" side. Not that I believe that (because they are actually centrist corporatists, just like most of the American left) but they certainly aren't fascist. If you're going to rant at least use the proper terminology. When you say "communist/fascist" you just make yourself sound dumb.
Dude, you've been spewing random crazy crap all over this thread. And I rarely come here and even more rarely reply, but I really just have to point this out:
Communism and Fascism are completely different and on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Communism is what happens when the left runs amok and Fascism is what happens when the right runs amok. They literally cannot be happening at the same time. Communism says that the people should own everything and the govt supports the "common people's will" and Fascism states that the govt knows best and should guide and control the people. They are polar opposites.
So I guess I understand that you're cranky and want to rant about how evil WA state govt is, they really only lie on one side of the spectrum: the left "communist" side. Not that I believe that (because they are actually centrist corporatists, just like most of the American left) but they certainly aren't fascist. If you're going to rant at least use the proper terminology. When you say "communist/fascist" you just make yourself sound dumb.
Thank you for that post. Yes, indeed, Communism and Fascism are so different that they actually come around a circle to meet. But that is the fatal flaw with both.
While Seattle does indeed have a liberal bent, I agree it is about "corporatists", in other words, how to make more money for local companies and local residents. This alone is not a bad goal. But I caution some to assume that all of Western Washington follows this philosophy. Seattle can be an island with liberalism, and that is OK, but the rest of the Western part of the State is not necessarily in lock step.
Washington State is doing quite well right now. And I don't think political differences are strong enough to deride this progress. However, I do accept different political opinions, both west vs. east, and Seattle vs. other western counties. I think the political climate is actually quite healthy.
Thank you for that post. Yes, indeed, Communism and Fascism are so different that they actually come around a circle to meet. But that is the fatal flaw with both.
That statement is so true and I can't beleive that more people don't see it that way. I guess people think that Communism is OK, but Fascism is pure evil... Not realizing or accepting the FACT that Communism has murdered several millions of more people than the brief history of Fascism. Both are just as evil and should be viewed as the same, not as some Left or Right label, which it's clearly not, anymore.
...If you can't see how both Communism and Fascism has mutated into the same evil thing, who is really the dumb one here?
Seattle has always been a liberal place, but with some level of commonsense, which looked out for the average working person/family in the past since it was a truly Blue Collar town based around Boeings and the military. Also, a place with a future, which is why my parents came here back in the late 50s/early 60s and were I was born and raised. Seattle's liberalism has turned against the average working class person that they claim to care about, but is still able to sell their BS, which for some reason, the average person can't seem to see through it.
With Starbucks getting a pass on Seattle's soda/sweeten drinks tax, that's solid proof that Seattle doesn't care about the working poor or the middle working class. Especially since less than $500Ks of the estimated $15 million in raised taxes will actually go to food programs for the poor... What a scam!! I'm pretty sure Starbucks padded many pockets within the city's political class to get a pass on this tax.
Its sad that Seattle cares more about drug addicts and the mega rich corporations than the working poor or the struggling working middle class that once made this city great.
...I guess it is what it is... Nothing more and nothing less.
Dude, you've been spewing random crazy crap all over this thread. And I rarely come here and even more rarely reply, but I really just have to point this out:
Communism and Fascism are completely different and on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Communism is what happens when the left runs amok and Fascism is what happens when the right runs amok. They literally cannot be happening at the same time. Communism says that the people should own everything and the govt supports the "common people's will" and Fascism states that the govt knows best and should guide and control the people. They are polar opposites.
So I guess I understand that you're cranky and want to rant about how evil WA state govt is, they really only lie on one side of the spectrum: the left "communist" side. Not that I believe that (because they are actually centrist corporatists, just like most of the American left) but they certainly aren't fascist. If you're going to rant at least use the proper terminology. When you say "communist/fascist" you just make yourself sound dumb.
Dude.. You are making yourself sound dumb with your typical liberal leftist brainwashing.
Fascism is right-wing?? Really?? Does it have to be?
So, you claim the National Socialist German Workers Party was a right-wing party? You couldn't be anymore far from the truth.. Fascism and Communism are not polar opposites at all; in fact, communism is another form of fascism, which would be more bureaucratic or collective fascism. In theory, communists rule by a politburo, instead of a single dictator. However, a majority of communist countries ended up pretty much being controlled by a single, authoritarian dictator, just as with Nazi Germany. Communism (esp Soviet/China style), however, is fascist, in every way, shape and form. In fact, more mass genocides have been committed by nations ruled by Communists and National Socialists then by any other type of political party or leadership in the history of the world. Germany (under Hitler), Russia (under Stalin), China (Mao Zedung), Cambodia (under Pol Pot) all experienced some of the world's worst genocides.
Here is the definition of Fascism from Dictionary.com.. There are other interpretations of what fascism could mean, but this one seems viable to me.
a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
So, many people believe that fascism equals racism. That is not true at all and even though fascist governments can enforce racist ideologies, that is not always the case. However, all fascist governments have one thing in common and that is a dictator or group of dictators (bureaucracy) forcefully rules over the population, controls , the commerce, industry, suppresses free speech, opposition and enforces aggressive nationalism. Soviet Russia, China, Communist Cambodia (Khmer Rogue) all very easily fit these descriptions. In fact, Stalin probably could qualify as the epitome of all fascist leaders and ran Russia with an iron fist under his Marxist ideologies, suppressed freedom of religion, speech, controlled all forms of commerce and industry. Anybody, who was considered disloyal to the leader or ideologies would be arrested, imprisoned and/or executed. A good number of my family comes from the former Soviet Union and I lost many relatives to the gulags. They committed the crime of practicing Judaism and speaking Yiddish/Hebrew which was violating the ultimate supreme authority of the state which forbid these practices. I am sorry, you are telling me this is not fascism!?
Let's take a look at your theory about the National Socialist German Workers Party (also known as Nazi party). You claim this is an ultra right-wing party, so it is fascist. That couldn't be a more simplistic and ignorant view of National Socialist ideology. In fact, the National Socialist German Workers Party was the complete opposite of what we would consider right-wing ideology in modern USA and correlates almost completely to ultra-radical left-wing ideologies. Of course, nothing is black and white. Yes, the National Socialists in Germany had racial superiority views. Some can claim that is a right-wing phenomenon, but for many years in the USA, the Democrat party was the largest supporters of white supremacy, racial segregation, the KKK, yet was still very liberal and socialist in its mindset, believing in worker's rights, high taxation, etc.
Now, if we want to take a look at the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazis) in Germany, we can see that their party ideology would almost completely correlate with many of the principles of the American Democrat party today. Leave aside the racial and spiritual ideologies of the party and what we have is a party that supported very radical and extreme left-wing principles that would be supported universally by most liberals and socialists today. In fact, it was Hitler's radically leftist views that won him the hearts of many of the lower working class German people who he promised to save from the throngs of the evil corporations and capitalists that he claimed were robbing and starving the German people. Here are many of the measures the National Socialist German Workers Party supported:
1. Strict Gun Control (Sensible, as people like HomesInSeattle call it).. Hitler implemented the most effective gun control legislation in the history of the modern world. He also developed the most sophisticated gun registration system in Europe. Basically , as you liberals would say, he made Germany very safe. Safe for the government, anyhow. He systematically disarmed the entire German population, starting with the Jews and then the rest of the population; anyone, who was considered a threat to his power. In fact, the Nazi Gun Control policies were so effective, that the Democrats took Hitler's Waffengesetz (Gun Control Act of 1938) that was used to disarm Jews and re-wrote much of these laws word for word into English and established them into various Assault Weapon Ban that were passed in the USA. Gun control , is that a right-wing concept????
2. Legalized Abortion (Sound Right-Wing?)
3. To protect the German people and currency from volatile market forces, the Nazis also promised social policies like a national labor service, state-provided health care, guaranteed pensions and an agrarian settlement program. (Socialized Medicine, Right-Wingers, eh??)
4. The Nazis continued social welfare policies initiated by the governments of the Weimar Republic and mobilized volunteers to assist those impoverished, "racially-worthy" Germans through the National Socialist People's Welfare (NSV) chairman Erich Hilgenfeldt organisation.
5. The Nazis argued that capitalism damages nations due to international finance, the economic dominance of big business and Jewish influences. Nazi propaganda posters in working class districts emphasized anti-capitalism, such as one that said: "The maintenance of a rotten industrial system has nothing to do with nationalism. I can love Germany and hate capitalism".
6. Hitler told a party leader in 1934: "The economic system of our day is the creation of the Jews". Hitler said to Benito Mussolini that capitalism had "run its course". Hitler also said that the business bourgeoisie "know nothing except their profit. 'Fatherland' is only a word for them". Hitler was personally disgusted with the ruling bourgeois elites of Germany during the period of the Weimar Republic, who he referred to as "cowardly sh*ts".
7. Another radical Nazi, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, had stressed the socialist character of Nazism and claimed in his diary in the 1920s that if he were to pick between Bolshevism and capitalism, he said "in final analysis", "it would be better for us to go down with Bolshevism than live in eternal slavery under capitalism".
8. By the late 1930s, taxation, regulations and general hostility towards the business community were becoming so onerous that one Germany businessman wrote: "These Nazi radicals think of nothing except ‘distributing the wealth,'” while some businessmen were “studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system." In others cases, National Socialist officials were levying harsh fines of millions of marks for a “single bookkeeping error.”
9. Although the Nazi Party election programs supported nationalization of major industries, the Nazi government included a few actual policies of privatization in the 1930s. Between the fiscal years 1934/35 and 1937/38, privatization represented 1.4 percent of the German government's revenues. Among companies that were privatized, were the four major commercial banks in Germany that had all come under public ownership during the prior years; Commerz– und Privatbank, Deutsche Bank und Disconto-Gesellschaft, Golddiskontbank and Dresdner Bank
If you see the principles and ideologies of the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazis), you can see that this party would be considered a radically leftist party. The only true principles that outright differentiates National Socialists from Marxist Socialists (Communists) is that the Communist party believed the government should have ultimate control of all businesses. However, even though Hitler gave a bit more autonomy to the pro-Nazi businesses in his country, he still had ultimate control and power over these businesses. The National Socialists also imposed heavy regulations and taxation on all businesses. In fact, the taxation and regulations imposed by the National Socialists are beyond even what most other socialist countries impose.
Now, if I am to go into the Communist party of Russia, China, Cambodia and other Marxist Socialist dictatorships, I can find several correlations to the way the National Socialist German Worker Party operated. They are very much the same, but just had some technical differences. One party operated under the precept of Germanic Nationalism/Supremacy. The other operated under the precept of Utopian Marxist Society ruled by a single leader who would assume all power, authority and wisdom. Both had many of the same goals, principles, but had minor differences. Ultimately, they still ruled under fascist decrees of dictatorship, ultimate authority, controlling commerce, enforcing an ideology on its subjects. This is fascism. It matters not if one fascist political party believes they are descended from brave Aryan warriors and the other believes in a fake utopian Marxist world of egalitarian bliss.
I am not cranky, I am upset of the current state of politics. Why is it when you commies and fascists have your ideologies challenged you start denigrating and insulting those who speak up against them?
Anyway, I know that it is almost criminal in this day and age to try to speak your mind and show correlations of the National Socialist American Workers Party (Democrats) and the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazis). However, they are much more similar than different.
As far as saying that gun control, increasing government control, government funded social programs and health care, wealth redistribution, etc are right-wing/conservatives concept, you are very deluded and misinformed.
For your information, I am a Right-Wing Libertarian and even though I despise the Democrats, I also do not like the Republican party much anymore either.
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Rotse, you were so glad to be back in Western Washington after your failed Idaho experiment. Things have soured for you now, we're sorry. In the meantime, Seattle hasn't really changed since you left. Can you chill just a little bit? We like it here and don't consider ourselves deluded for not feeling the same way you do. I have actually always enjoyed the honesty of your posts, even though I don't share many beliefs with you. These past few posts, you seem amped up, angry, aggressive. I'm not joking, calm down a little, exercise, get a different strain at the dispensary. You are wound up tight enough to kill yourself. Chill baby.
Rotse, you were so glad to be back in Western Washington after your failed Idaho experiment. Things have soured for you now, we're sorry. In the meantime, Seattle hasn't really changed since you left. Can you chill just a little bit? We like it here and don't consider ourselves deluded for not feeling the same way you do. I have actually always enjoyed the honesty of your posts, even though I don't share many beliefs with you. These past few posts, you seem amped up, angry, aggressive. I'm not joking, calm down a little, exercise, get a different strain at the dispensary. You are wound up tight enough to kill yourself. Chill baby.
Can I chill a bit? Not while the Washington state government is trying to strip me and other law-abiding citizens of our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms, many who served our country.
If these fascists in the Washington state government get their way, every gun owner in this state will become a felon over night. As well, it is you who will be wound up if these unconstitutional , Nazi-era laws are pushed forward and actually enforced. Seriously, even if you are not a gun owner you should look thoroughly at these insane bills that the fascists in Washington are trying to push through.
As far as me, I am just voting with my feet and leaving dodge, before sh*t hits the fan. You don't have to worry HomesInSeattle, one less Militant Zionist in your fair state.. I am not here to appease you or others, but as you say, speak my mind. That is not yet banned, censored or regulated, but I am sure if the fascists like AG Ferguson, Kshama Sawant , Jay inslee and the other totalitarian national socialists get their way, I will be silenced by use of force.
It is you who sounds naive and purposely closing your mind to the unconstitutional measures being pushed through. Today the government demands your guns with the threat of being executed. TOmorrow they want your Bibles, Torah, QUrans, etc with threat of imprisonment or execution. Why are you so open to them trampling upon our constitutional rights when it comes to firearms, but then speak out when the government demands people of certain races or religions will have limited rights or not allowed to sit on certain parts of a bus or use a drinking fountain designated to a certain skin color, etc. When you pick and choose which constitutional laws you can enforce, then the sky is the limit into where the local government can go with manipulating and generating laws that can infringe upon your own personal well-being.
Senate Bill 5463, sponsored by Senator Frockt, and House Bill 1122, sponsored by Representative Ruth Kagi (D-32), would require individuals to lock up firearms or potentially face Class C Felony charges. This intrusive government legislation invades people’s homes and forces them to render their firearms useless in a self-defense situation by locking them up.
This law, if passed, will effectively turn every gun owner who doesn't lock up his firearms in a safe into a felon. In addition to making it next to impossible for people to defend their lives and their children's lives in their own homes, now if they use a gun in self-defense they will be convicted as felons and put in prison for years for simply executing their 2nd Amendment rights to keep and bear arms. Basically, any self-defense shoot will require the defendant to testify under oath and explain how they managed to unlock their gun from a safe, load it up and defend against the intruder. Now, every law abiding citizen will have to lie to a jury to save their own a**es for merely defending their lives which is suppose to be guaranteed under our 2nd Amendment. Or, if the police come into someone's house and a gun is found outside a safe, they can be potentially arrested and charged with a felony; having their lives destroyed. Basically, your government is turning law abiding citizens into criminals and ruining their lives.
People may also overlook this new Assault weapon licensing scheme. Basically, this law is so atrocious, that it will effectively make it illegal to own any semi automatic, magazine fed rifle or handgun (which they unanimously label as Assault Weapons, look at Commiefornia for a reference), etc in the state of Washington. This will override any Grandfather clause and will effectively mean the state of Washington will be forced to employ law enforcement to go door to door and demand the confiscation of all weapons that were not approved by their licensing scheme, which I can assure you, nobody will qualify for.
I don't know about you, but if your Washington state police come to my door asking for my guns, I will not do the same thing that my Jewish ancestors did in Europe, when the Gestapo and SS came knocking on the doors of Jewish people, demanding their guns. The only way they will confiscate my firearms is by removing them from my dead corpse.
Do you think I am the only guy in Washington state who is not willing to give up his guns? Of course, I wonder how the state of Washington will acquire the manpower to confiscate all these "Assault Weapons". I promise you a lot of blood will be shed and the military and federal government will very likely not assist the Washington state law enforcement agencies. They will be on their own. In fact, with the current law, many of the people they will be forced to disarm will be heavily armed and trained military people, which Washington state has a high population. In effect, you can be sure it will be a very bloody battle to disarm Washingtonians.
I, myself, rather go somewhere else where I don't have to worry about the police knocking on my door for whatever reason. My ancestors lived under oppressive Nazi and Communist rule. My grandmother made a point that her children and grand children live as free citizens. My great grandfather Efraim did not risk his life escaping the Tsar in Belarus and struggle night and day to survive in America so that his children and great grand children are living under tyrannical rule.
P.S.
I get really pissed when people try silencing me because I am not happy with the politics going on in the state. This is very typical of liberals in Washington. If they don't like what you are saying , they try to shut you up, denigrate you and threaten you. They will call you crazy, angry, say you have chip on your shoulder. Yet, these same people do nothing but whine and whine and complain about the politics they don't like or talk endless how bad Republicans, Libertarians or anyone deemed "Conservative" are or whatever ideology they don't like. They never hold themselves up to their own standards.
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homes, after I responded to this thread earlier, it occurred to me that this first-time poster's thread laden with provocative trigger words and false, contradictory assumptions is likely Russian baiting. Best to ignore.
I think some posters here are quite angry about whatever, and they use threads like this to unload. I don't want to be part of that, and indeed it is best to move on. I will say that some on here tend to exaggerate their perceived issues and really can't find a baseline that is appropriate. That is sad.
I think some posters here are quite angry about whatever, and they use threads like this to unload. I don't want to be part of that, and indeed it is best to move on. I will say that some on here tend to exaggerate their perceived issues and really can't find a baseline that is appropriate. That is sad.
Some Posters (most likely me ) are angry about Washington state and especially the city of Seattle's politics. Wouldn't a thread like this titled "Political Climate in Seattle" be the perfect place to unload?
Yes, I understand you don't agree with me and it is your right to do so. However, I also have the right to be angry about the political climate here and voice out my opinion. Of course, if you must resort to just insulting my character rather than challenge the points in my posts, it pretty much shows that you don't have any real substance to contest what I wrote. Basically, by insulting the poster rather than the points in the post, you have conceded your lost in this debate.
It's ok, I understand that most liberals rather silence the opposition or those who speak it then openly and sensibly debate it.
I am not angry.. Trust me, I knew this day was coming. I am annoyed and not looking forward to having the leave the part of the country that I grew up and loved for so many years. But, trust me, I am not fuming at all..
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) are angry about Washington state and especially the city of Seattle's politics. Wouldn't a thread like this titled "Political Climate in Seattle" be the perfect place to unload? 
