Isn't there a MANDATORY mask ordinance in King County??? (Seattle: school, live in)

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Originally Posted by TRC_WA

... and no, people aren't dying in Florida. Not anymore than they are dying in Washington.

Ten times more died in Florida this week than in Washington. Maybe check the facts before you go off on a rant.

[Swoods15]

Originally Posted by TRC_WA

... and no, people aren't dying in Florida. Not anymore than they are dying in Washington.

Demonstrably false. Here's some data:

Overall as of October 5th:

Florida
Total deaths: 55,619
Per 100,000: 257.5

Washington
Total deaths: 7,807
Per 100,000: 102

Current deaths / day:

Florida: 246
Washington: 39


You can tell pretty plainly which sate has had safer, more effective leadership when it comes to COVID cases and deaths. It's not Florida.

Data from Johns Hopkins University.

[zerp]

Originally Posted by Swoods15

Demonstrably false. Here's some data:

Overall as of October 5th:

Florida
Total deaths: 55,619
Per 100,000: 257.5

Washington
Total deaths: 7,807
Per 100,000: 102

Current deaths / day:

Florida: 246
Washington: 39


You can tell pretty plainly which sate has had safer, more effective leadership when it comes to COVID cases and deaths. It's not Florida.

Data from Johns Hopkins University.

Here’s where your reasoning fails:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s-us-by-state/

NY/NJ/RI/MA/CT are all about the same #s or higher than FL. Yet NY/NJ/RI/MA/CT ran with the same restrictions that WA did. So why did those 5 fare so much more poorly?

Also, Alaska has no mandates in place and has fared better than Washington. Weird.

Missouri is faring better than Illinois, despite Missouri having had almost no restrictions and IL being practically as devoid of freedom as Washington.

[zerp]

Originally Posted by TRC_WA

I hear that there are now mandates in Washington again and I won't be able to go to a restaurant or sporting event without showing my vaccine card. What's funny is being vaccinated doesn't prevent you from getting it.

That’s the part that doesn’t make any sense. Anyone could be fully vaccinated now. Unvaccinated are no threat to vaccinated. So why are vaccinated so up in arms about unvaccinated? Seems the unvaccinated don’t care a bit about vaccinated or unvaccinated. Unvaccinated are at this point ACCEPTING RISK.

So what’s the problem here?

[flyingsaucermom]

Originally Posted by Swoods15

Demonstrably false. Here's some data:

Overall as of October 5th:

Florida
Total deaths: 55,619
Per 100,000: 257.5

Washington
Total deaths: 7,807
Per 100,000: 102

Current deaths / day:

Florida: 246
Washington: 39


You can tell pretty plainly which sate has had safer, more effective leadership when it comes to COVID cases and deaths. It's not Florida.

Data from Johns Hopkins University.

Not the full picture. You also have to look at demographics such as: (per world population review)

1,117,673 seniors in WA vs. 4,205,428 seniors in FL

Also small differences such as there re 5% more people living in poverty in FL than WA. WA incomes are higher across the board too.

But mostly having nearly 4x the number of old people with a disease that specifically kills old people is going to mess with numbers. Regardless of "effective leadership".

You wanna say this isn't true?

[MechAndy]

I take any quickly posted statistics with a grain of salt.
Statistics are often quoted (and bent) to further an agenda or a belief.

When some of last numbers were posted it was plain as day that they seemed somehow to omit the elderly population of Florida.

We will continue running around in circles until there are some honest legitimate discussions on this topic that are not based on politics or blind beliefs.

Me? As an independent I’m always open to see some unbiased information but if it remains what appears to be the same political jibberish I will continue to doubt it.

[PS90]

Here's the thing that I don't understand:

According to this chart (I Googled it, but the source is the New York Times),

https://www.google.com/search?q=covi...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Inslee's indoor mask mandate was re-implemented on August 23rd, and then the ridiculous outdoor-in-group mask mandate went into effect on September 12th.

According to the graph above, NEITHER of those dates resulted in any significant drop in overall cases, even 2-weeks later. Not even a SLIGHT drop or even leveling-out after the indoor mask mandate.

It could be argued that cases started to drop in the last 2 weeks or so, which MAY have been related to the outdoor mask mandate, but that may just be due to current trends in the virus surges. Florida's cases have been dropping for about 4 weeks now, after NO mandates - so I suspect the recent drop is coincidence and unrelated to the outdoor mask mandate.

So...what good did these mandates do?

I am still convinced that these government officials really have no idea what they are doing, and the mask mandates are just an attempt to quell mass-panic by having people wear masks to feel like they are "doing something to help".

Of course, the mass-panic is mostly created by the media, but that's a whole different topic...

[flyingsaucermom]

Originally Posted by PS90

Here's the thing that I don't understand:

According to this chart (I Googled it, but the source is the New York Times),

[url]https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+cases+washington+state&rlz=1C1CHBF_ enUS893US893&oq=covid+cases+washington+state&aqs=c hrome..69i57j0i512l8j0i131i433i512.9168j0j7&source id=chrome&ie=UTF-8[/url]

Inslee's indoor mask mandate was re-implemented on August 23rd, and then the ridiculous outdoor-in-group mask mandate went into effect on September 12th.

According to the graph above, NEITHER of those dates resulted in any significant drop in overall cases, even 2-weeks later. Not even a SLIGHT drop or even leveling-out after the indoor mask mandate.

It could be argued that cases started to drop in the last 2 weeks or so, which MAY have been related to the outdoor mask mandate, but that may just be due to current trends in the virus surges. Florida's cases have been dropping for about 4 weeks now, after NO mandates - so I suspect the recent drop is coincidence and unrelated to the outdoor mask mandate.

So...what good did these mandates do?

I am still convinced that these government officials really have no idea what they are doing, and the mask mandates are just an attempt to quell mass-panic by having people wear masks to feel like they are "doing something to help".

Of course, the mass-panic is mostly created by the media, but that's a whole different topic...

And if cases are already dropping -everywhere- why the need for a proof of vaccine card mandate?

Look at mandate-free Florida now: [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/[/url]

[Swoods15]

That's all a lot of words for people who don't seem to be willing to admit that the statement:
"... and no, people aren't dying in Florida. Not anymore than they are dying in Washington."
was just straight up wrong. That's all I pointed out, and I think it's pretty obvious that it is - maybe think about why that obvious fact seems to make yall feel so uncomfortable and combative.

If your retort to 'FL has 10x the deaths of WA' is that 'well, FL has 3x the population of WA so it's still the same actually' then the math just isn't mathing for you. I don't know how to help with that.

[Swoods15]

Originally Posted by zerp

That’s the part that doesn’t make any sense. Anyone could be fully vaccinated now. Unvaccinated are no threat to vaccinated. So why are vaccinated so up in arms about unvaccinated? Seems the unvaccinated don’t care a bit about vaccinated or unvaccinated. Unvaccinated are at this point ACCEPTING RISK.

So what’s the problem here?

Because the unvaccinated are clogging up the hospitals with COVID cases which makes it so that people can't get care for other things - that's been all over the news, it's no mystery.