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Old 08-26-2016, 02:13 AM
 
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I had a dream (not like yours but survival type) last night. I have them periodically. The difference is that I don't do anything about it. <sigh>
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Old 08-26-2016, 03:46 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The irony is that we've been living in a SHTF scenario - only it's been in s l o w - m o t i o n.
Think about it.
● Rising poverty.
● Rising taxes.
● Rising debt.
● Hyperinflation (if you start counting at 1910).
● Destroyed savings.
● Devaluation.
● Dispossession.
● Loss of liberty (based on the mountain of rules, licenses, and permits needed)
● Invasion by people who have no respect for American law, its people, or their property, and who intend that their progeny inherit YOUR land.


Yup, we're boned.
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Old 08-26-2016, 04:06 AM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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The irony is that we've been living in a SHTF scenario - only it's been in s l o w - m o t i o n.
Think about it.
● Rising poverty.
● Rising taxes.
● Rising debt.
● Hyperinflation (if you start counting at 1910).
● Destroyed savings.
● Devaluation.
● Dispossession.
● Loss of liberty (based on the mountain of rules, licenses, and permits needed)
● Invasion by people who have no respect for American law, its people, or their property, and who intend that their progeny inherit YOUR land.
Ain't globalism/socialism grand?
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Old 08-26-2016, 06:29 AM
 
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The irony is that we've been living in a SHTF scenario - only it's been in s l o w - m o t i o n.
Think about it.
● Rising poverty.
● Rising taxes.
● Rising debt.
● Hyperinflation (if you start counting at 1910).
● Destroyed savings.
● Devaluation.
● Dispossession.
● Loss of liberty (based on the mountain of rules, licenses, and permits needed)
● Invasion by people who have no respect for American law, its people, or their property, and who intend that their progeny inherit YOUR land.


Yup, we're boned.
By that metric isn't it our great-great-great-grandkids who are "boned"?
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Old 08-26-2016, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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By that metric isn't it our great-great-great-grandkids who are "boned"?
It's multi-generational.
A "Gift" that keeps on giving.
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Old 08-26-2016, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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taking what HiW said, something that mom taught us was to pack everything you think you will need for 3 days in the wilderness in a 5 gallon pail, and then live out there for 3 days with only what is in that pail.

the 1st time you do it, you will learn plenty of what you will not need the 2nd, 3rd and 4th time you do it.

when you are skilled at it enough, try doing the whole family on the contents of what fits in 1 5 gallon pail.

good luck if you ever try it.


would suggest learning to make a wilderness makeshift shelter before trying it, and never take your safety lightly.
The best place to practce is your yard. If you've forgotten something your house is right there. Think of it as a survival simulator.

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The irony is that we've been living in a SHTF scenario - only it's been in s l o w - m o t i o n.
Think about it.
● Rising poverty.
● Rising taxes.
● Rising debt.
● Hyperinflation (if you start counting at 1910).
● Destroyed savings.
● Devaluation.
● Dispossession.
● Loss of liberty (based on the mountain of rules, licenses, and permits needed)
● Invasion by people who have no respect for American law, its people, or their property, and who intend that their progeny inherit YOUR land.
Most of these ae either irrelevant or represent excellent financial opportunities. Think of the seventies. Think of the last gold bubble.
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Old 08-26-2016, 02:30 PM
 
Location: When you take flak it means you are on target
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I had a nightmare last night! I dreamed Obama was sleeping in my bed! Seriously. Scariest dream of my life!
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Old 08-26-2016, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Texas and Arkansas
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By that metric isn't it our great-great-great-grandkids who are "boned"?
Soon the dark ages will be upon us and it will last for 100's of years. So yes, the great-great-great-grandkids will also be boned. Yet even in dark ages people who could provide for themselves (and keep others from stealing it) prospered.
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Old 08-26-2016, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Most of these [disasters] are either irrelevant or represent excellent financial opportunities. Think of the seventies. Think of the last gold bubble.
Are you forgetting the hyperinflation?
You can find references to SEARS catalog houses for $799 in 1910. A new car was $300, in 1920s.
I can remember new houses for $10,000 - $14,000 (back in the 1960s), and new cars for $1999.
I can recall a brand new Honda Accord LX cost $6000 in 1979.

Today? In parts of Silicon Valley, you're doing fine if you can find a house under $1 mil. (Of course, in other markets, a "starter" home might set you back a measly $250k) An average American auto costs over $20,000. A New York City apartment might be available for under $2000/month - if you're sharing expenses with 2 or 3 room mates.

The only opportunity you have is going broke faster.
And the only winner is collectivist government, which taxes more and more, and stills goes deeper into debt...
All the while, the "LEFT" are blaming the "greedy" for not paying more. LOL.

I had a co-worker, back in 1972, who was so proud to have saved up a nest egg of twenty thousand dollars. He thought he was "set for life," and could retire.
Inflation destroyed the value of his savings and thus his sacrifice was in vain.

Of course, if you're one of the fortunate predators who found a niche that outperformed inflation -and- reduced your tax load, perhaps you did prosper. But for the vast majority of Americans, they became poorer and became less free - working ever more for the benefit of another.


Oh, that "gold bubble."

1902 gold $20 coin (real money) can be bought for "only" $1700 "dollar bills" (worthless paper).
At 85:1, that's a "steal."
There's less than 1 oz. per capita of gold in the world.
(Est. 5.6 billion ounces versus 7+ billion people)
If we did go back to a "gold standard" I'd expect devaluation / revaluation on the order of 5000:1.
A $2 million dollar manse => $399.99 (Approaching Boardwalk and Park Place prices)
A $250k house => $49.99
A $20k car => $3.99
And "minimum wage" => $3.19 per annum (oy!)

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Old 08-27-2016, 10:14 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Are you forgetting the hyperinflation?
You can find references to SEARS catalog houses for $799 in 1910. A new car was $300, in 1920s.
I can remember new houses for $10,000 - $14,000 (back in the 1960s), and new cars for $1999.
I can recall a brand new Honda Accord LX cost $6000 in 1979.

Today? In parts of Silicon Valley, you're doing fine if you can find a house under $1 mil. (Of course, in other markets, a "starter" home might set you back a measly $250k) An average American auto costs over $20,000. A New York City apartment might be available for under $2000/month - if you're sharing expenses with 2 or 3 room mates.

The only opportunity you have is going broke faster.
And the only winner is collectivist government, which taxes more and more, and stills goes deeper into debt...
All the while, the "LEFT" are blaming the "greedy" for not paying more. LOL.

I had a co-worker, back in 1972, who was so proud to have saved up a nest egg of twenty thousand dollars. He thought he was "set for life," and could retire.
Inflation destroyed the value of his savings and thus his sacrifice was in vain.

Of course, if you're one of the fortunate predators who found a niche that outperformed inflation -and- reduced your tax load, perhaps you did prosper. But for the vast majority of Americans, they became poorer and became less free - working ever more for the benefit of another.


Oh, that "gold bubble."

1902 gold $20 coin (real money) can be bought for "only" $1700 "dollar bills" (worthless paper).
At 85:1, that's a "steal."
There's less than 1 oz. per capita of gold in the world.
(Est. 5.6 billion ounces versus 7+ billion people)
If we did go back to a "gold standard" I'd expect devaluation / revaluation on the order of 5000:1.
A $2 million dollar manse => $399.99 (Approaching Boardwalk and Park Place prices)
A $250k house => $49.99
A $20k car => $3.99
And "minimum wage" => $3.19 per annum (oy!)



but how would they take/steal gold out of private hands if they went back to the gold standard? I am sure as hell not giving up mine, no matter what they say, and there is plenty of places to hide them where not even the feds could ever find it.
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