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MTSilvertip,thank you sir.Our handgun sales in the stores I manage are almost all semi-autos with some double action revolvers and almost no SA revolvers.I know NJ is very different from MT and in Nor'Eastah's local,ME,it's always good to have another perspective on what people use and why.In the day and age of polymer autos,its nice to see people still using some older technologies.Gunsite in the past(and might still to this day)ran a SA revolver class with self-defense as its chief objective. As in most things,it's not the arrow,it's the Indian.
I have both SA and DA weapons, I prefer the capacity of the DA over the SA for several reasons .
DA means I can keep the gun on target better between shots ,especially in a tense situation.
DA also are more efficient in removal of the spent shells and reloading ,even if one is replacing only a portion of the cylinder.
SA is a time consuming process of ramming each spent shell out and reloading.
This is not an efficient means of self defense, when split seconds count, IMO.
Yeah, I hear you Blue Collar, lots of folks these days want tacti-cool and high rate of fire to precision shooting, one shot/one kill. The last pistol I bought was a cap and ball revolver. It's easier to get ammo for these days than 22 shells, and it's a blast to shoot gophers with, and there's no registration or background checks on black powder.
I guess part of it is culture. My folks raised me not to waste anything, including ammunition, so you made sure of your first shot when hunting, plus, it honors the animal to make a clean kill, and the meat is better.
I've always lived a fairly self sufficient style of life, simple and effective is best, and being able to make my own so I don't have to depend on anybody else for my survival, so I taught myself to make bows and arrows, and how to use them.
I'm not alone out here, traditional black powder, long range precision buffalo rifles, cowboy shooting with SA revolvers and lever action rifles, and traditional recurves and longbow archery all have a lot of practitioners here.
Yeah, there are also the "spray and pray", send a lot of rounds downrange and hope you hit something types too, but if they want to pay for all that wasted lead, it's fine with me. Different strokes.
Still, it's a lot of fun for me to pack some jerky and cold flour in my possibles pouch, put on my homemade capote, take my powder horn and Kentucky flintlock long rifle, and go out into the High Lonesome on a Long Hunt, all by myself for a week or so. Nothing better.
Like stepping back in time to when the Mountain Men and Indians lived here.
Just a different place from New Jersey. Not better or worse, just different. All those styles of weapons out there have folks that buy them, or the manufactures wouldn't make them, and after all, variety is the very spice of life.
We have less and less hunters in NJ even though we have healthy deer an d black bear population.Those that do hunt are mostly looking for inlines,crossbows,etc,very little traditional hunting left.Our market is dominated by black rifles,polymer pistols and the mind-set that goes along with them.I do miss the old days where there seemed to be equal intrist in traditional black powder,wooden stock hunting rifles,along with more modern offerings.
It always goes in cycles. When I was selling firearms, the movie Quigley Down Under was big, and with the Sharps facility here in the state, we sold every Sharps rifle, any caliber, that we could lay our hands on. When Slick Willie Clinton put the ban on semi auto rifles, the price went through the roof, and it took about 2 minutes from one of those rifles, (pre-ban used), to come into the shop until it was sold.
We still have a lot of hunters here, and more women joining the sport ever year. It's a good thing.
I got out of the trade, but I still have friends in the trade, and since November 2008, the market has been insane with emphasis on military style arms. There will always be those that want the newest, the fastest, all the latest bells and whistles, but there will always be those that appreciate simplicity and using their skills to hunt instead of relying on the weapon to make up for their shortcomings.
It will change again when the threat is gone and folks go back to weapons of beauty and style. Hopefully soon because not being able to buy a 22 shell is a real pain in the buns. Not that I use a lot, it's just the idea.
If it's a good movie it might. Jeremiah Johnson back in the 1970's sure did.
Society also has impact on people's perceptions, and right now there are folks coming here, some to be off grid or self sufficient homesteaders, some because they fear the collapse of civilization, some just want a return to simpler times when you knew and could trust your neighbors.
Kind of like this thread. Some folks, like me, love our old thumb busters, others prefer high rate of firepower and cool looking weapons.
I don't know how anyone can "think" this. The claim for Newman's fanning of an SA revolver so many times before a dropped item can hit the ground (much less hitting anything) is simply bs. The SA is a big handicap in a fight. How do you propose to get past the decade of horrific fighting that will follow shtf? Why would you think any game would last more than a month or 2? The depression almost wiped out game, and all people had was single shots and walking. With the gear we now have and with 100 million dogs and cats starving/hunting, the game will be gone, in very short order. Even if that's not true of your area, you'll still be better off with a fighting sidearm than an SA revolver. Any serious work best be done with the carbine, anyway.
The "combat" SA revolver classes, held by Clint Smith, et al, were just a way to take money from people dumb enough to "think' that cowboy action stuff is combat training. :-)
this is easily what you can be up against with your SAA.
Top hands with autos can hit the 200 yd rams, regularly, from standing, with 1911's firiing the .460 Rowland, which outperforms .44 mag (in the same sized gun). A 6" barreled 1911 is the same 9.5" OAL as a .4" .44 mag and the .460 will deliver 250 grs at 1300 fps. The .44 will not exceed that, testing all chambers, with 240 grs.
The handgun that is most likely to be useful, for "survival" is a sound suppressed (integrally) Ruger .2245, 9.5" overall and 22 ozs, and grouping 2" at 25 yds, standing unsupported, using both hands to fire.
Who said anything about fanning? That's a waste of ammunition, similar to spray and pray from an auto. Hitting your target the first time, every time is the best defense. A wall of lead does no good if it doesn't hit anything, just ask all those cops who fired until they ran out of ammunition at point blank range, and never hit anything.
A suppressed 22...using a parabellum cartridge for accurately shooting 200 meters... a 45 auto having more power than a 44 mag out of a 6 inch barrel... something sounds awfully familiar about this "junior" poster.....
You haven't been sniping moose with brain shots at 200 yards with a suppressed 22 have you
Who said anything about fanning? That's a waste of ammunition, similar to spray and pray from an auto. Hitting your target the first time, every time is the best defense. A wall of lead does no good if it doesn't hit anything, just ask all those cops who fired until they ran out of ammunition at point blank range, and never hit anything.
A suppressed 22...using a parabellum cartridge for accurately shooting 200 meters... a 45 auto having more power than a 44 mag out of a 6 inch barrel... something sounds awfully familiar about this "junior" poster.....
You haven't been sniping moose with brain shots at 200 yards with a suppressed 22 have you
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John Newman used a slip gun; he didn't fan a gun. King Gun Works made slip hammers as well as other exotic hammers for the SA gunfighter.
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