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Old 12-31-2021, 11:44 AM
 
Location: South of Cakalaki
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Charlestondata,

Don't mean to leave you hanging but I'm going to bow out of this discussion. It is not worth dealing with the histrionics from other people on here.

Happy new year
Thought you were leaving? Bye.
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Old 12-31-2021, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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Is this the thread where Fritz Hollings came up?

“As House Majority Whip James Clyburn noted at Hollings’ funeral in 2019, Fritz had an amazing capacity for growth, and he grew to be a leader for equal opportunity and civil rights. In a history-making gesture in 2015, Hollings asked that his name be removed from the federal courthouse in Charleston and proposed that it be named instead for former federal Judge J. Waties Waring, a pioneering civil rights jurist whose decisions had played a major role in setting the stage for Brown v. Board of Education.”

https://www.postandcourier.com/opini...2ac344573.html
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Old 01-01-2022, 12:47 AM
 
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Charlotte is the biggest city in SC.
Interesting perspective.......are you being funny or just not understanding Charlotte is not in SC.
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Old 01-01-2022, 02:30 AM
 
Location: Athens, Greece (Hometowm: Irmo, SC)
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Interesting perspective.......are you being funny or just not understanding Charlotte is not in SC.
Hell, he probably doesn’t know either lol
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Old 01-01-2022, 07:00 AM
 
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Is this the thread where Fritz Hollings came up?

“As House Majority Whip James Clyburn noted at Hollings’ funeral in 2019, Fritz had an amazing capacity for growth, and he grew to be a leader for equal opportunity and civil rights. In a history-making gesture in 2015, Hollings asked that his name be removed from the federal courthouse in Charleston and proposed that it be named instead for former federal Judge J. Waties Waring, a pioneering civil rights jurist whose decisions had played a major role in setting the stage for Brown v. Board of Education.”

https://www.postandcourier.com/opini...2ac344573.html
How is that a history making gesture. It was an attempt by a former segregationist to rehab his image. The Democratic mayor of Charleston had a statue of Hollings put up in front of the building which cancels out the gesture. That whole story ends up being about the white former segregationist Hollings rather than about Judge J Waties Waring.

Hollings has his name on other buildings in the state like the MUSC Hollings Cancer Center and the Hollings Special Collections Library at UofSC.

Hollings was one of 11 senators who voted against the nomination of Thurgood Marshall, the court's first African American, to be on the Supreme Court, despite Thurgood being in the same party. That was in 1967, three years after the civil right act had passed.

I have not read anything about Fritiz in SC state media and by politicians in the state including McMaster and Lindsay Graham that was not gushing in nature. They don't mention he was a segregationist, put the Confederate flag on the State House, and voted against Thurgood Marshall post Civil Rights Act.

The lionization of a former segregationist is probably the weirdest thing about SC in the modern era given many of the same people who engage in it also want to take down statues of other segregationists and rename buildings like Tillman Hall. I think there are some principled Democratic voters out there who would not feel comfortable with the attempt by party members to make Hollings out as a Great Man.

He gets presented as a statesman but he made a lot of comments like this: "He is Jack be nimble, Jack be quick. He's all around the damn clock, so oozing and goozing and such a nice little choirboy and so pleasant, and everybody's rude, and he wants to be courteous. He is a g-- d--- skunk."
– Sen. Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (D-S.C.), on GOP rival Rep. Bob Inglis. (The State, Oct. 16)

He was a good ol boy in a good ol boy network.

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Old 01-01-2022, 10:36 AM
 
Location: South of Cakalaki
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Is this the thread where Fritz Hollings came up?

“As House Majority Whip James Clyburn noted at Hollings’ funeral in 2019, Fritz had an amazing capacity for growth, and he grew to be a leader for equal opportunity and civil rights. In a history-making gesture in 2015, Hollings asked that his name be removed from the federal courthouse in Charleston and proposed that it be named instead for former federal Judge J. Waties Waring, a pioneering civil rights jurist whose decisions had played a major role in setting the stage for Brown v. Board of Education.”

https://www.postandcourier.com/opini...2ac344573.html
Make sure you check out the article in the Charleston City Paper about Hollings. It would have been his 100th birthday today.

Funny that the seriously uniformed can’t accept that Hollings changed to be a decent human but will support racists currently.
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Old 01-01-2022, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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How is that a history making gesture. It was an attempt by a former segregationist to rehab his image. The Democratic mayor of Charleston had a statue of Hollings put up in front of the building which cancels out the gesture. That whole story ends up being about the white former segregationist Hollings rather than about Judge J Waties Waring.

Hollings has his name on other buildings in the state like the MUSC Hollings Cancer Center and the Hollings Special Collections Library at UofSC.

Hollings was one of 11 senators who voted against the nomination of Thurgood Marshall, the court's first African American, to be on the Supreme Court, despite Thurgood being in the same party. That was in 1967, three years after the civil right act had passed.

I have not read anything about Fritiz in SC state media and by politicians in the state including McMaster and Lindsay Graham that was not gushing in nature. They don't mention he was a segregationist, put the Confederate flag on the State House, and voted against Thurgood Marshall post Civil Rights Act.

The lionization of a former segregationist is probably the weirdest thing about SC in the modern era given many of the same people who engage in it also want to take down statues of other segregationists and rename buildings like Tillman Hall. I think there are some principled Democratic voters out there who would not feel comfortable with the attempt by party members to make Hollings out as a Great Man.

He gets presented as a statesman but he made a lot of comments like this: "He is Jack be nimble, Jack be quick. He's all around the damn clock, so oozing and goozing and such a nice little choirboy and so pleasant, and everybody's rude, and he wants to be courteous. He is a g-- d--- skunk."
– Sen. Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (D-S.C.), on GOP rival Rep. Bob Inglis. (The State, Oct. 16)

He was a good ol boy in a good ol boy network.
was
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Old 01-01-2022, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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Make sure you check out the article in the Charleston City Paper about Hollings. It would have been his 100th birthday today.

“…can’t accept that Hollings changed to be a decent human…”
That part.

Hollings left this life redeemed.
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Old 01-02-2022, 06:50 AM
 
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Make sure you check out the article in the Charleston City Paper about Hollings. It would have been his 100th birthday today.

Funny that the seriously uniformed can’t accept that Hollings changed to be a decent human but will support racists currently.
I'm glad you made this false accusation of racism because it demonstrates that Republicans who relocate to SC will still have to deal with people like you.

SC has one of three black senators in the country and he's a Republican. I voted for Tim Scott while you are gushing over a former segregationist and you think he deserves a statue.

You say Hollings changed but you have to take that on faith. You can't read his mind.

It is of no concern of mine if he changed or not. My point is that many principled 'progressives' who don't live in SC might not understand why politicians and newspapers in the state gush over a former segregationist and put up a statue of him.

The article asserts that we need more leaders like Fritz Hollings. Why do we need. former segregationist leaders? The writer asserts Hollings was witty but those quotes and the quote that I posted upthread don't support that.
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Old 01-02-2022, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Columbia SC
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I am torn by this discussion. I like to believe people can see the error of their ways and change such as Hollings did. One old time racist/sexist/obstructionist of the Hollings era was Arthur Ravenel Jr. and he never changed. I refuse to call it the Ravenel Bridge. I call it the East Cooper Bridge.
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