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Unbelievable. Lebron chokes and quits in the Playoffs and is arrogant. Watch the interview tonight he mentioned about 10 times all the things he did for cleveland and didnt even deliver them a title. Contrast that with Drew brees who brought New orleans a title, and didnt take credit at all ...
I dont follow the NBA so take this for what you will. But, one player cannot deliver a title to any team in any sport. Key word in that sentence is team. Players do not win championships, teams win championships.
Drew Brees is a great guy. He has done good for Purdue. I still like the guy, even though he beat the Colts last February.
I don't care much for using Drew to put Lebron down. Lebron is 25 and still growing, Drew is 31 years old and never had the type of hype and expectations Lebron does. Two completely different age brackets, histories, and sports. Apples and oranges.
and brees was a guy who was losing his job in SD and pretty much getting moved out of town
the saints did offer him a great opportunity
it's not like the cavs did lebron great favors by drafting him ... it's not like he was sweating it out wondering if he was going to get a shot to play in the NBA
in his 7 years there they went from having the #1 overall pick to playing in an NBA championship and having the best record in the league over the past 2 years
I dont follow the NBA so take this for what you will. But, one player cannot deliver a title to any team in any sport. Key word in that sentence is team. Players do not win championships, teams win championships.
Yeah, but Larry Bird shows one player in basketball can take a team a lot farther than LeBron ever did. Now the NBA has better players than college basketball, but I dare say Lebron had a lot better supporting cast on Cavaliers than Bird did at Indiana State.
really??! - keep in mind you don't make the NBA unless you are either a foreign superstar or a collegiate superstar
there are individual players in college who can carry teams to very good success and then go onto nice pro careers .... doesn't mean you can carry a pro team full of adult professionals
there are individual players in college who can carry teams to very good success and then go onto nice pro careers .... doesn't mean you can carry a pro team full of adult professionals
The difference is most of the guys who played on the Cavaliers could probably play on most other teams in the NBA. The guys who played at Indiana State that year other than Larry Bird couldn't have warmed the bench at a major college basketball program.
Or look at it this way. Would LeBron have had to carry the Cavaliers to get to (not win just get to) the NBA or conference finals? Yeah, but then most teams that aren't "dynasties" have a player that has to do that. Karl Malone did it with Jazz. Reggie Miller did it with the Pacers. Folks who actually follow the NBA can probably name others. These guys were great players, but no one's ever going to accuse the Mailman of being the best to play the game. Meanwhile LeBron is supposed to be a legitimate contender to be the best ever, but has he ever got to the conference or NBA finals (eh maybe I don't know, I don't really follow the NBA)?
Doesn't matter though ... the talent difference is that great.
You put an NBA hall of famer on a HS team there is a good chance they could win against a college team without NBA prospects ... even if none of the other HS players could sniff collegiate ball at any level.
I absolutely love larry bird - probably my 2nd favorite player ever behind oscar robertson. He's a difference maker for sure, but he wasn't going to carry an NBA team to the top heights. Not a single player in NBA history has done that.
I think my favorite player in Oscar shows this as well. Only guy to average a triple double, but didn't really have consistent, great team success until he played with a young guy by the name of Lew Alcindor. This was Lew in his pre-kareem glory and oscar in the twilight of his career but they pulled in a title.
Karl Malone played most of his career with HOF PG John Stockton. Not a bad duo at all. They also had some decent supporting cast players with guys like Hornacek. They also had some hard luck. They lost 3 times in the conference finals and then had the misfortune of playing the bulls the 2 times they made it to the title game.
Reggie Miller also had his best success when he had his best supporting casts. If anything a couple of those pacer teams underacheived for their talent. They had some young guys who couldn't pull their heads out. Reggie now recounts those days as some of his biggest professional failures, not getting more out of them and getting them to realize how fleeting the opportunity can be.
You also have to consider that it was 30 years ago and prep ball has changed a ton since then.
Lebron has gotten to the NBA finals and conference finals on a separate occasion.
He made it to the NBA finals which also assumes a trip to the conference finals
On a separate occasion from their NBA finals run they made it to the conference finals and lost.
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