07-13-2008, 08:21 PM
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Oye!
07-13-2008, 09:59 PM
Location: Southeast Missouri
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So sad.
07-13-2008, 10:08 PM
Location: The City of St. Louis
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They are keeping the HQ in St. Louis. I'm disappointed, this results in the loss of an American institution, and results in fewer and fewer companies, less competition, and fewer channels for wealth to flow.
07-14-2008, 05:23 AM
Location: MO Ozarkian in NE Hoosierana
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I understand and agree, to large extent, to the feelings here. However - IMHO, don't blame InBev just in and of themselves... they were half of the equation. To have a sale, there must also be a seller - and that dear friends is the AB board and the AB stock holders. They agreed to this sale [granted, InBev pushed EXTREMELY hard], yet to their 'greed' is why this sale went through - did they agree to sell primarily for a long-term what-is-best for AB?
I wager not.
What with Coors and Miller merged, and now InBev and AB... yeap, where is the main competition with the "big boys"?
Reason number two why this fella doesn't buy any of their products!
07-14-2008, 09:10 AM
Location: Moved to town. Miss 'my' woods and critters.
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Totally agree with your excellent post, ShadowCaver! Greed is the name of the game. And it has been for a long time. This is not the first example nor will it be the last, of an American company changing horses. (Hmmmm, pun there?
) I do not buy AB products. But, it still was a St. Louis company and I was happy that they were there. According to the news, the name will be A-B InBev, and AB will have 2 seats on the board. Whooppee!
Anyway, we'll see what the future will bring to this once traditional company of St. Louis. Some are concerned about Grant's Farm and other AB institutions. Wonder what will happen?
07-14-2008, 10:36 AM
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I worry that a company with a "slash and burn" reputation will not give a hoot about supporting a not for profit like Grants Farm...why would they? I can't even imagine how much it must take to maintain the animals, grounds, etc. I believe past behavior predicts future behavior and take all that they are saying about keeping the HQ in St Louis with a grain of salt. My fingers are crossed, but I am doubtful.
07-14-2008, 10:41 AM
Location: Southeast Missouri
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InBev won't do ANYTHING to help St. Louis. I doubt they'll keep Grant's Farm either. It's all about money. A few big companies controlling all the beer. So much for free trade.
07-14-2008, 10:43 AM
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
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I cried. I mean literally cried.
07-14-2008, 10:49 AM
Location: Southeast Missouri
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I wish companies would stop moving out of St. Louis.
07-14-2008, 04:00 PM
Location: MO Ozarkian in NE Hoosierana
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STLCardsBlues1989 - AB is NOT moving out of StL. Its "just" that they no longer will have the final say, the final authority of what happens - InBev will. As to Grant's Farm, and all the wonderful great charity and support that AB has provided that makes me and all very proud of AB, supposssssssedly InBev is NOT going to change anything.
However, of course we all know very well that what one says now and what one does later [when times/markets/conditions change] may likely vary. At this time, all we can go by are (a) what InBev and AB has stated in their press reports [reading them of course with a jaded political eye
], and (b) InBev's history, as a guide of what MAY happen.
{note, for just one example, and this is from a AB guy...
: "Anheuser-Busch has agreed to sell itself to Belgium-based InBev for $52 billion - despite the fact that AB CEO August Busch IV
swore in April that a deal would not happen during his tenure." Last I checked, he is still tenured...}
Also, InBev "promises" that Grants Farm, the Clydesdales, and all other of the
things that AB has done, shall continue - "why kill/damage what is popular and helps us sell". On that note - THANK YOU to AB for all that they have done, and here's a toast to many more years of your great beneficiary to StL city and region.
Going back to my first part here - that is what is going to be the hardest: AB losing its independence. And its part in Americana - a very powerful marketing presence, one that gave our city a proud voice. I am NOT happy this sale has happened, not at all. However, its a different world than what my heart desires - its one where money/profits itself and shrewd networking globalizing money people make the deals...
ps: STLCardsBlues1989 - what beer do you like to drink?
pps: quite good article here: http://www.kentucky.com/524/story/460310.html (broken link)
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Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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I wager not.
things that AB has done, shall continue - "why kill/damage what is popular and helps us sell". On that note - THANK YOU to AB for all that they have done, and here's a toast to many more years of your great beneficiary to StL city and region.
