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I have taken supplements for over 35 years. I trust the major manufacturers that are found in health food stores and online.
I don't need proof from external sources. My proof is in how my body responds.
There are many studies done on foods, vitamins, minerals, nutritional supplements, etc. It's all out there on the internet. You can choose to believe it, or not. That's your right and your freedom.
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I dont trust unregulated products usually from China that claim to be cure-alls for a myriad of maladies.
And it's not an issue of trust. Studies have SHOWN that 30% of supplements do not contain the advertised ingredient.
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I dont trust unregulated products usually from China that claim to be cure-alls for a myriad of maladies.
Well the Chinese have been using their medicines for thousands of years, not pharma meds. Your choice. I don't trust what you trust, so we cancel each other out.
Well the Chinese have been using their medicines for thousands of years, not pharma meds. Your choice. I don't trust what you trust, so we cancel each other out.
Logical fallacy: appeal to antiquity.
Chinese use the same prescription meds that are available in the US, not just traditional Chinese medicine.
The ANH article advises readers to "Check the FDA’s database of supplements illegally spiked with prescription drugs."
To me, that says that the supplement industry has a big problem with quality control. It just goes to show you never know what is in a supplement, particularly herbals.
Well, as Always it turns out it's the Alt med vs Pharma. I use both but MOSTLY Alt. I try not to attack the few drugs I take, but I feel they are toxic but use them anyway FOR NOW. I guess I'm fortunate, no side effects from 25 yrs of supplements...As always too, it's sad everyone can't seem to accept other's choices. I am not trying to change what other's take. Pointing out options, isn't trying to change others...as my mind sees it.
Well, as Always it turns out it's the Alt med vs Pharma. I use both but MOSTLY Alt. I try not to attack the few drugs I take, but I feel they are toxic but use them anyway FOR NOW. I guess I'm fortunate, no side effects from 25 yrs of supplements...As always too, it's sad everyone can't seem to accept other's choices. I am not trying to change what other's take. Pointing out options, isn't trying to change others...as my mind sees it.
What does this thread have to do with "accepting other's choices"?
The OP who started this thread 3 years ago and added to it today has made verifiable, documented, well supported statements regarding the failure of the supplement industry to police itself and make sure the products they sell actually contain what the bottle says they contain...
This has been shown in numerous independent studies and this is what you get when there is no requirement for independent verification of quality...
This isn't about acceptance or opinions....its about FACTS
Saying "I don't need proof from external sources. My proof is in how my body responds" is disingenuous
If your body is "responding" to a bottle of sawdust that is labeled "grape seed extract" that just proves that what you are experiencing is a placebo effect...
Honestly I don't even know what you think your "supps" are doing....the "continued absence of disease" while taking a "supp" is hardly proof positive that the "supp" has done anything....
What does this thread have to do with "accepting other's choices"?
The OP who started this thread 3 years ago and added to it today has made verifiable, documented, well supported statements regarding the failure of the supplement industry to police itself and make sure the products they sell actually contain what the bottle says they contain...
This has been shown in numerous independent studies and this is what you get when there is no requirement for independent verification of quality...
This isn't about acceptance or opinions....its about FACTS
Saying "I don't need proof from external sources. My proof is in how my body responds" is disingenuous
If your body is "responding" to a bottle of sawdust that is labeled "grape seed extract" that just proves that what you are experiencing is a placebo effect...
Honestly I don't even know what you think your "supps" are doing....the "continued absence of disease" while taking a "supp" is hardly proof positive that the "supp" has done anything....
Jam can believe whatever she wants to believe - that's her choice and it's not up for debate - just as you consistently advocate for your conventional (pharma backed and paid for) 'scientific' indisputable 'facts'.
As far as supplement safety there, most certainly, are companies that have been in business for decades and are trusted within the natural health community based on the full manufacturing disclosures they provide, the ongoing education provided by their product representatives, company attendance at professional trade shows and consistent positive feedback from consumers and health providers.
Many of these well-respected supplement companies were founded by scientists and practitioners who worked together to create products and are committed to ethical and responsible manufacturing. For example the Natural Factors brand was created by Dr. Michael Murray, one of the founding educators of Bastyr University. Gaia herbs was founded by a well-known botanical scientist and he grows most of the herbs on a farm in North Carolina, The Now brand was established in the 60's. Owned and operated by 3 family generations, the founder created the first nutritional soy protein powder. The Dr's Best brand was created by a (mainstream) physician 25 years ago. The list goes on and on.
I, personally, take many different nutritional supplements and sometimes herbs as well. I would never consider taking anything that was not manufactured in the US. There are hundreds of trustworthy products out there. And as far as proof of effectiveness - there ARE plenty of studies conducted both within the US and abroad. You just won't see them in the New England Journal of Medicine unless pharma pays for and publishes the research findings...
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