08-01-2011, 06:36 AM
Location: Chisago Lakes, Minnesota
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I'm sure someone already said this, but Florida is a terrible place for pro sports teams. Hardly anyone is actually from there, and every game you go to half - if not more - of the fans are wearing the visiting teams colors. Throw in a dump like the Trop as your stadium, and it's a recipie for failure. It's amazing the Rays have survived there as long as they have, and a total shame they haven't been supported, because they've had some really good teams the past few years.
08-01-2011, 06:40 AM
Location: N Atlanta
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Whatever. Your comment doesn't address the thought that the Rays aren't drawing because they're below .500. Winner of two of the last three AL East divisions. Win/Loss record doesn't have an affect on attendance. The economy along w/ location of the stadium, to a lessor degree, does.
I think win/loss record plays into it more than you think ... here's the attendance numbers from the mid 2000s when the economy was better.
Tampa Bay Rays Attendance Records by Baseball Almanac
From 2003-2007 attendance was dismal at best and picked up considerably in 2008-2009.
08-02-2011, 05:59 PM
Location: Tampa, FL
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I'm sure someone already said this, but Florida is a terrible place for pro sports teams. Hardly anyone is actually from there, and every game you go to half - if not more - of the fans are wearing the visiting teams colors. Throw in a dump like the Trop as your stadium, and it's a recipie for failure. It's amazing the Rays have survived there as long as they have, and a total shame they haven't been supported, because they've had some really good teams the past few years.
The trop is lacking in some areas but it's hardly a dump. You want to see a DUMP, go to Fenway or Wrigley. DUMPS with rats, cramped, uncomfortable seats, etc. Oh, they call that "character" in cities which have winning teams and good attendance, lol...
Biggest dump I have ever been to is Cleveland's old stadium, what a ****hole. A new stadium has done wonders for that team, and Cincinatti, I could go on...
08-02-2011, 06:18 PM
Location: N Atlanta
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The trop is lacking in some areas but it's hardly a dump. You want to see a DUMP, go to Fenway or Wrigley. DUMPS with rats, cramped, uncomfortable seats, etc. Oh, they call that "character" in cities which have winning teams and good attendance, lol...
I'd rather sit in a DUMP as you call Fenway and see a winning team any day than sit in the TROP and watch a team that continues to go nowhere.
I can guarantee I've been to Fenway more times than you and I've never seen a rat. What I have seen are dedicated and fervent baseball fans, very few of which you'll see in St. Petersburg unless they're from the rival teams.
08-03-2011, 06:42 AM
Location: Chisago Lakes, Minnesota
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The trop is lacking in some areas but it's hardly a dump. You want to see a DUMP, go to Fenway or Wrigley. DUMPS with rats, cramped, uncomfortable seats, etc. Oh, they call that "character" in cities which have winning teams and good attendance, lol...
Difference: Fenway and Wrigley are BASEBALL PARKS. The Trop is a CONCRETE TOMB.......so poorly fitted for the game that the roof interferes with play. And that shameless RUG you call a field...are ya kiddin me? It looks like it should be in someone's living room with a couch on top of it. They should be stacking crates in that place, not playing ball there. Worst atmosphere in all of baseball.
You just touted Tropicana Field over two of the most revered shrines in all of sport. FAN LICENSE: REVOKED!
08-03-2011, 08:00 AM
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tampa stadium
tampa needs new stadium.
08-03-2011, 10:36 AM
Location: Tampa, FL
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Visited Fenway last season - what a dump. And the price I had to pay for an outfield ticket was x4 what I pay at the Trop.
08-03-2011, 10:38 AM
Location: Tampa, FL
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Difference: Fenway and Wrigley are BASEBALL PARKS. The Trop is a CONCRETE TOMB.......so poorly fitted for the game that the roof interferes with play. And that shameless RUG you call a field...are ya kiddin me? It looks like it should be in someone's living room with a couch on top of it. They should be stacking crates in that place, not playing ball there. Worst atmosphere in all of baseball.
You just touted Tropicana Field over two of the most revered shrines in all of sport. FAN LICENSE: REVOKED!
The roof interferes maybe once or twice a season. It also allows the Rays never to have a rain out.
Meanwhile, if you want to look at Fenway- the leftfield wall isn't up to MLB specs, and in Wrigley, the ivey messes up plays all the time.
Concrete tomb - stupid comparison.
08-03-2011, 10:56 AM
Location: N Atlanta
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Visited Fenway last season - what a dump. And the price I had to pay for an outfield ticket was x4 what I pay at the Trop.
Must not bother Sox fans ... the place is full for every home game.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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