05-22-2015, 08:02 AM
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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I don't think weather should come into play when determining if an area is walkable, as some on here have done. A city/neighborhood is either walkable or it's not. Yes, our hot weather does play a factor in how enjoyable it is, but at the end of the day it doesn't affect how easy it is to live car-free or not.
I have lived in St. Petersburg FL (both downtown and a bit further up off of 4th street) without a car for 6 years now, and my experience is that it is not easy...and weather absolutely does play some part in this.
Biking/walking/standing at bus stops, lugging groceries/parcels home, etc. in 90-plus degree temps is not easy. The blocks here are much longer than typical city blocks...despite what others have posted, traffic is quite significant here...the air is dusty...the busses are slow and pretty much stop running at 10pm...St. Petersburg is VERY spread out and vast...if it is so easy to live without a car here, why do people look at me like I am nuts when I tell them I do not have one? And why do so many people have cars here? This is not the carless mecca that others here describe: folks who struggle financially (such as myself) are the ones who do not have cars here and it is tough.
Carless for me means not owning a car and
having to walk to and from work,
having to walk to and from grocery shopping - struggling with bags...getting poured on when the skies decide to open up, etc.
Carless for others here seems to entail driving their car over from Gulfport/Tampa/Dunedin/etc. and parking it along Central Avenue so that they can dip into the quaint little shops and cafes for iced tea and dessert, then drive to the beach for a swim before driving home: two completely different experiences.
I have lived in cities that are ACTUALLY walkable: NYC and San Francisco being the most notable...I have spent time in Boston: the ease with which one can get around in those cities does not even remotely compare to St. Petersburg...I have also lived in Austin and Austin is probably most like St. Petersburg in terms of "walkability": it's very hot, spread out and one really needs a car in order to enjoy any quality of life there.
Not trying to hate on St. Petersburg, or sound "bitter" as (again) I know that it's a great place for many people...but to claim that St. Petersburg is as walkable as genuinely walkable cities are is just not accurate.
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05-22-2015, 09:40 AM
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Not trying to hate on St. Petersburg, or sound "bitter" as (again) I know that it's a great place for many people...but to claim that St. Petersburg is as walkable as genuinely walkable cities are is just not accurate.
I do agree with that, which is why I would never move to St. Pete as Downtown St. Pete is really just one walkable area of a very small city. I like to have an entire city at my disposal with multiple vibrant neighborhoods.
05-22-2015, 09:43 AM
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I do agree with that, which is why I would never move to St. Pete as Downtown St. Pete is really just one walkable area of a very small city. I like to have an entire city at my disposal with multiple vibrant neighborhoods.
And this is precisely what I have been trying to say all along
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05-22-2015, 09:46 AM
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Having lived in a walkable city almost my entire life, I agree. But sure is nice to have DT St pete and things you can walk to vs. nothing to walk to at all.
05-22-2015, 09:48 AM
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And this was precisely what I have been trying to say all along
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05-22-2015, 09:53 AM
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Certain sections of downtown are really easy to walk as others have said, but I disagree that weather SHOULDN'T take part in whether something is walkable or not! 0.25 mi isn't a long walk... but at 90 Degrees w/ 90% humidity it'll feel like a lifetime for some of us!
05-22-2015, 09:57 AM
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Certain sections of downtown are really easy to walk as others have said, but I disagree that weather SHOULDN'T take part in whether something is walkable or not! 0.25 mi isn't a long walk... but at 90 Degrees w/ 90% humidity it'll feel like a lifetime for some of us!
Have you been to NYC in the summer? It's pretty much the same. I just meant that omitting the weather, Downtown St. Pete can be just as walkable as other areas in other cities. The weather does not change the basics of a place that makes it walkable or not walkable. When you add in the weather and other factors, then you're not really discussing walkability any longer.
05-22-2015, 09:57 AM
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Having lived in a walkable city almost my entire life, I agree. But sure is nice to have DT St pete and things you can walk to vs. nothing to walk to at all.
I agree with both points, but
they speak more about choice than necessity...one does not HAVE to have a car and pay $500 a month for parking in SF/NYC - that's a choice...one can live car-free in those places and walk/take public transit/bike and rent a car to explore areas outside of the city.
One really must have a car in order to "explore" and enjoy the entirety of St. Petersburg.
05-22-2015, 10:14 AM
Location: Seymour, CT
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Have you been to NYC in the summer? It's pretty much the same. I just meant that omitting the weather, Downtown St. Pete can be just as walkable as other areas in other cities. The weather does not change the basics of a place that makes it walkable or not walkable. When you add in the weather and other factors, then you're not really discussing walkability any longer.
I've been to NYC in the summer and the winter. I live just outside of Fairfield county in CT and have been to NYC more times than I can count. There are times when the heat is REALLY high in NYC, but it happens for a short while and then it's nice and cool again. Same thing can't be said about St. Pete.
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Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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they speak more about choice than necessity...one does not HAVE to have a car and pay $500 a month for parking in SF/NYC - that's a choice...one can live car-free in those places and walk/take public transit/bike and rent a car to explore areas outside of the city.
