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Old 03-30-2011, 04:43 AM
 
Location: Owasso, OK
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Well to be fair you work a lot less of the year than those other graduates, and will get a pension to likely retire much earlier than most of them, and that average includes difficult degrees like engineering that have higher entry level salaries.

You are responding to my post but are somehow arguing against someone who claimed you get paid too much. It wasn't me.

What exactly do you mean by your 35k salary includes benefits? If you mean they take out some for health insurance, etc. then yeah that is how salary works for all of us. Is your gross pay something other than 35k?
No- My gross salary is $35. My take home is $26,400. That's actual money in my pocket based on 9 months of working. That "might" be $35,200 if you translated it into 12 months (if that option were available to me- which it's not).

Again- the point is not how MUCH I make. I knew that. One more time... the point of this thread is to get people to understand the truth behind the numbers.
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Old 03-30-2011, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Owasso, OK
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Your benefits and your salary is really low from those in many school district where I live.I take it from your post you pay for all your benefits with no contribution from the district when you say with benfits.That is amoung the lowest I have ever heard for a teacher really and having to pay for all benefits with no contribution is rare.That schedule you post says somethng much different unless you work i the worse where it includes benfits like insurance and retirement. Can't beleieve you take home that much after taxes.healthcare ;retirement if you pay it all even if not paying into SS.Where I live you would make 42000 starting out with fully paid heathcare for twelve months and a good retirement plan.
Yep- My paycheck is $2200 per month. No garnishments or anything weird. It's just my net pay.
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Old 03-30-2011, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Owasso, OK
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It means that almost every small business that may have been in town for generations has closed down as the next generation would prefer to make a guaranteed better living and lifestyle without the 24/7 risk and expense of maintaining a business. Other businesses aren't locating there because the people are poor due to high taxes on them and businesses which results in a severe lack of jobs.

This area is suffering from the opposite of what yours is in the way of teacher pay, ie, much higher than the prevailing nearby employment (if you can find any), with these things being the result of the necessary taxes to fund such. In other words it's out of whack in the other direction.
So- what is the price you are willing to pay to educate the future? Is it important for the future leaders of your community to be able to read, write, do math, and think? Somebody has got to teach them that. And "somebody" doesn't want to do it for free. So, property taxes are a necessity.
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Old 03-30-2011, 07:21 AM
 
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Average college graduate salary: $46,000

Average teacher salary: $48,088 after 10-19 years of experience ($33,950 for new teachers)
Thank you, good info.

Again, that seems reasonable given much less working days during the year and the pension.
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Old 03-30-2011, 07:24 AM
 
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No- My gross salary is $35. My take home is $26,400. That's actual money in my pocket based on 9 months of working. That "might" be $35,200 if you translated it into 12 months (if that option were available to me- which it's not).

Again- the point is not how MUCH I make. I knew that. One more time... the point of this thread is to get people to understand the truth behind the numbers.
Everyone takes home less than they gross, heck after 401k/health/dental/STD/LTD/vision/fed/state/fica/medicare some people take home 60% of their gross.
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Old 03-30-2011, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Owasso, OK
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Everyone takes home less than they gross, heck after 401k/health/dental/STD/LTD/vision/fed/state/fica/medicare some people take home 60% of their gross.
I'm not stupid. I know how taxes and benefits work. My husband has a non-public job and I've had jobs outside of education.

Still, the figures posted do not reflect the true picture of what teacher's are being paid.

What is the education of your children worth to you? What is it worth to you to keep knowledgable, capable people in the classroom?
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Old 03-30-2011, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Owasso, OK
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Thank you, good info.

Again, that seems reasonable given much less working days during the year and the pension.
Those are national averages AND they include administrators whose salaries inflate the statistics.
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Old 03-30-2011, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Happy wherever I am - Florida now
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I don't expect anybody to do anything for free but there comes a point at which things can become too lopsided in one direction or the other. Isn't that what you are pointing out? I'm merely drawing attention to the ramifications at the other end of the scale. I'm guessing you don't see too many teacher families making $200,000 a year where the cost to live is similar to yours. Teachers here make the same as those who live in other parts of the state where it would cost them three times the amount to buy a house.

I don't understand how it is you're losing 30% of you salary? What are they taking out? And I agree with you that your salary is on the low side.
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Old 03-30-2011, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Owasso, OK
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I don't expect anybody to do anything for free but there comes a point at which things can become too lopsided in one direction or the other. Isn't that what you are pointing out? I'm merely drawing attention to the ramifications at the other end of the scale. I'm guessing you don't see too many teacher families making $200,000 a year where the cost to live is similar to yours. Teachers here make the same as those who live in other parts of the state where it would cost them three times the amount to buy a house.

I don't understand how it is you're losing 30% of you salary? What are they taking out? And I agree with you that your salary is on the low side.
I've never known a teacher that can live amongst people who are bringing in $200,000 a year- unless they happen to be married to a surgeon or attorney.

Taxes and insurance.
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Old 03-30-2011, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Happy wherever I am - Florida now
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You missed what I was saying. Teacher families are making $200,000 a year here while the avg family is making about $40,000. Thus my posts about things being tilted in the opposite direction from your experience. Only teachers here can afford to buy the new homes along with the few doctors and lawyers.
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