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What I'm seeing though is that they want a coach who can teach, not a teacher that can coach.
Bingo. The only change I would make is to say they want a coach who is legally allowed to teach. They don't care if he can teach worth a damn as long as his team wins.
What a ridiculous premise. All my social studies teachers were women, in an era where there were no girls' sports at the high school level.
Most of our coaches were math or gym teachers.
Your post would be an interesting contribution to the discussion if you took out the first, inflammatory sentence. You have heard not only my experience (both when I was in high school in Minnesota, and in terms of the way it is done here in Missouri), but several other people who relate similar experiences (along with a couple who, like you, do not). Why do you assume everywhere is the same as where you live, rather than considering that your experience just might be atypical or at least not universally applicable?
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At my high school (2000-2004, California), they offered up the coaching stipend to whomever wanted it, whether they were a teacher at the school or a college student at the local university or a member of the community. Any prospective coach had to pass a background check and do all the stuff normally required to work with kids. My soccer coaches in high school were always soccer players from the local universities. Usually 2-3 girls would split the stipend, so they'd get something like $500 each to coach 3 hours a day from November through February.
Other coaches I can remember off the top of my head were PE (football), art (track & cross country), math (mock trial), and a local athletic trainer (boys soccer).
In my current district (northern virginia), they send out emails to all employees of the district asking for coaches. I teach middle school, and several of my colleagues are assistant coaches at the high school level for football/baseball/volleyball.
At the very least, I could easily see lawsuits eventually forcing schools to stop these kinds of discriminatory hiring practices.
I'm not sure I could call it discriminatory. A math teacher who can also teach physics might be more valuable to a school than a pure math or pure physics teacher. An English teacher who can also teach German might be more valuable to a school than either a pure English or pure German teacher. In neither case could I fault them for hiring the person who fills more than one role they need. The same would go for someone who can coach and teach, if they need both.
What a ridiculous premise. All my social studies teachers were women, in an era where there were no girls' sports at the high school level.
Most of our coaches were math or gym teachers.
No, it's not ridiculous. I don't doubt in certain regions or in urban areas, it is less accurate, but I can tell you that in the rural Midwest, it is most certainly accurate. To be honest, it's kind of a running joke that the history teacher must be the football or basketball coach.
As budgets get tight, administrators are looking for coaches who can teach to kill two birds with one stone.
I sure saw that social studies/coach norm in Ohio in the olden days LOL. It was a running joke that "Coach" read magazines with his feet up on the desk while we did the assignment.
I am now retired; however, I sub. The teachers at the school at which I sub say it's hard to get certain high school positions unless one does coach, especially, of course, if it is a math/coach teacher or whatever who is leaving.
It is most clearly discriminatory hiring practice.
How is it anymore discriminatory than any other position in which the job requirements are listed?
If a posting says that candidates are sought who have certification in, say, 7-12 social studies and who have experience coaching basketball, they're being upfront about their criteria for hiring.
It's like saying that if I respond to an ad where they're looking for applicants with typing skills, and I don't have any, I'm being discriminated against because I can't type.
In my school it was a blend for the most part ..... science teachers didn't coach anything, male math teachers were pretty much all coaches, a couple history teachers did coach but not all ..... all PE teachers coached .... lit/english teachers didn't coach
mainly came from PE, math & history
my SIL is having an awful time finding a history job in WI and she is an assistant cross country coach ......
depending on where you live it's a tough situation - there simply aren't that many openings and there are a lot of people who would like to teach the subject ..... it's not as tough of a subject to fill as math & science and for right or wrong isn't considered as technical ....... so if they can narrow the candidate pool and increase their economies by wanting to find a teacher that can do both, I understand
if that is really the way the game is being played you either need to adapt to it or find something else as it isn't likely to change - again, for right or wrong
How is it anymore discriminatory than any other position in which the job requirements are listed?
If a posting says that candidates are sought who have certification in, say, 7-12 social studies and who have experience coaching basketball, they're being upfront about their criteria for hiring.
It's like saying that if I respond to an ad where they're looking for applicants with typing skills, and I don't have any, I'm being discriminated against because I can't type.
There was one I called about to see if part time would be considered.
They wanted a support teacher with Math 4-8.
It also said "coaching positions available".
What they are looking for though is a football coach who is certified Math 4-8.
They should advertise for what they are really looking for.
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