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Old 05-15-2020, 07:51 AM
 
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For those that stay online, or at least half online, could teachers be forced into furloughs/part time hours?
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Old 05-15-2020, 03:42 PM
 
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For those that stay online, or at least half online, could teachers be forced into furloughs/part time hours?
Not if they're teaching their classes online. This dream some seem to have that one teacher in a school will teach all 20 sections of Algebra I (or whatever) and then teach the 20 sections of Algebra II, and so on through the courses offered have no clue.
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Old 05-16-2020, 10:33 AM
 
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NJ teacher layoffs
https://www.nj.com/education/2020/05...ll-it-get.html
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Old 05-18-2020, 07:28 AM
 
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From what I’m hearing non-tenured teachers in a very high percentage of districts are not getting their contracts renewed, at this point. It makes sense as no one is quite sure yet what format their schools will be taking come Fall, and finances are looking mighty bare. In some cases the state education commissioner (or whatever they call their equivalent) has sent guidance to school superintendents recommending they not renew any contract and warning of a possible RIF.

However, NBP is right, an online teacher will not be able to increase their student load as much as some people are speculating. Unless strictly on-line school is set for the entire year ahead of time, which only a couple of states are considering, student load will have to be assigned as if they are in a physical classroom, for when that happens. Quite a few systems are discussing a hybrid format so there is some sort of regular student physical presence in the school building a couple of hours or days a week.

By the way, one thing the complete transfer of education out of brick and mortar buildings during this pandemic has made crystal clear to those in charge of education, or at least those with an ounce of honesty, is a significant shift to technology-based education as some had been promoting before this happened is a pipe dream. Students, even most adults, need classrooms and actual teachers to effectively learn. Right now rudimentary research is indicating low income students are likely to have lost a full year of educational gains in math and between a 30-50% loss in reading, despite the 6-8 months they had attended school prior to the shutdowns. A couple of school systems have not had interaction with almost 40% of their students.
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Old 05-18-2020, 08:31 AM
 
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From what I’m hearing non-tenured teachers in a very high percentage of districts are not getting their contracts renewed, at this point. It makes sense as no one is quite sure yet what format their schools will be taking come Fall, and finances are looking mighty bare. In some cases the state education commissioner (or whatever they call their equivalent) has sent guidance to school superintendents recommending they not renew any contract and warning of a possible RIF.

However, NBP is right, an online teacher will not be able to increase their student load as much as some people are speculating. Unless strictly on-line school is set for the entire year ahead of time, which only a couple of states are considering, student load will have to be assigned as if they are in a physical classroom, for when that happens. Quite a few systems are discussing a hybrid format so there is some sort of regular student physical presence in the school building a couple of hours or days a week.

By the way, one thing the complete transfer of education out of brick and mortar buildings during this pandemic has made crystal clear to those in charge of education, or at least those with an ounce of honesty, is a significant shift to technology-based education as some had been promoting before this happened is a pipe dream. Students, even most adults, need classrooms and actual teachers to effectively learn. Right now rudimentary research is indicating low income students are likely to have lost a full year of educational gains in math and between a 30-50% loss in reading, despite the 6-8 months they had attended school prior to the shutdowns. A couple of school systems have not had interaction with almost 40% of their students.
There are also school systems which send RIF notices out to all of their nontenured teachers every year and then bring some or all of them back. Or not.

What you mentioned about low income students and knowledge loss is significant (I'm seeing that nationally the average of students who have yet to sign on to their school system's online continuity of education program is 35%, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that some schools are looking at 75%+ non-participation). Those are the exact same students for whom year round school is advocated, who foundations like Gates have poured hundreds of millions of dollars into their schools for tech and AP classes and at whom every single education reform has been aimed over the last thirty plus years.
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Old 05-18-2020, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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There are also school systems which send RIF notices out to all of their nontenured teachers every year and then bring some or all of them back. Or not.

What you mentioned about low income students and knowledge loss is significant (I'm seeing that nationally the average of students who have yet to sign on to their school system's online continuity of education program is 35%, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that some schools are looking at 75%+ non-participation). Those are the exact same students for whom year round school is advocated, who foundations like Gates have poured hundreds of millions of dollars into their schools for tech and AP classes and at whom every single education reform has been aimed over the last thirty plus years.
With the balance of every class suffering because of this. No matter whose theories or academic studies are used, there will always be this segment that refuse to learn. Yet, it's the teacher's fault. Even them not signing into the the online system is also somehow a black mark on their teacher.

I fully understand a hiring freeze for school districts across the country and maybe the need to trim some positions. One thing is for sure, the idealists that have been proposing a total online education are being proven wrong.
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Old 05-18-2020, 10:10 AM
 
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Almost 320,000 teaching jobs could be lost if states cut their education budgets by 15 percent in a coronavirus-inflicted recession, a new analysis has found.

That hypothetical cut would mean an 8.4 percent reduction in the U.S. teaching corps, with some states seeing reductions as large as 20 percent, according to the analysis by the Learning Policy Institute. With schools cutting that many teaching positions—either through layoffs or eliminating vacant positions—class sizes would increase.

Education Week 4/30/2020 http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/campa...recession.html

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Old 05-19-2020, 01:51 PM
 
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Does anyone know what month school budgets get approved?
June 30 in Pennsylvania.
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Old 05-28-2020, 11:00 PM
 
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From USA Today:
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Old 05-29-2020, 03:01 PM
 
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I have to ask why you've grabbed onto this and are worrying it to death? You want to collapse public education? Because make no mistake the upper class kids in private schools won't miss a day. You're concerned about your, or someone close to you, job? You actually think your taxes will go down? What exactly?

Keep in mind that local money won't be impacted that much, property taxes won't go down. And here in Maryland, where the bulk of state taxes come from the sales and income taxes, leaders of the Democrat dominated Legislature are already talking "massive" tax increases on the "undeserving rich" to make up the shortfall (their old definition of "undeserving rich" was a married couple making a gross of $100K/year. I don't know what it is now).
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