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People seem to go to easy on today's students. They assume that passing the test is enough. It is not, nor should it be. We are in a new time here in America, we need to toughen the standards or we will turn into a third world country. All aspects of the students actions need to be determined and evaluated. That includes: attendance, class room participation, interest, preparation, energy level, testing scores and punctuality. Just like the corporate world.
Can't you include some of those things in your grading scheme? I don't mean interest and energy level, because those are easily measured in a classroom setting, but grading structures can incporporate things like attendance, participation, and tardiness (in addition to test and quiz scores).
People seem to go to easy on today's students. They assume that passing the test is enough. It is not, nor should it be. We are in a new time here in America, we need to toughen the standards or we will turn into a third world country. All aspects of the students actions need to be determined and evaluated. That includes: attendance, class room participation, interest, preparation, energy level, testing scores and punctuality. Just like the corporate world.
They get paid in the corporate world, here they are paying you. Huge difference. Do you put these things on your syllabus as requirements? If not, you shouldn't be whining. I thank god I had teachers with more sense than you when I was in college, and they were not easy professors by any means.
What are you going to do, go down the rows of students and have them parrot back everything you say? Yeah, that's real educational.
Here is a hint, talking down to your students is not a good way to motivate them. I can't believe I even have to say that.
People seem to go to easy on today's students. They assume that passing the test is enough. It is not, nor should it be. We are in a new time here in America, we need to toughen the standards or we will turn into a third world country. All aspects of the students actions need to be determined and evaluated. That includes: attendance, class room participation, interest, preparation, energy level, testing scores and punctuality. Just like the corporate world.
This is actually completely wrong. Most of the corporate world is moving towards flextime schedules and work from home options. I work for a fortune 500 company and I can basically set my own hours, as long as I get my work done.
If you are going to 'train your students for the corporate world' at least learn how it works.
These students are not going into cushy jobs with flexibility at Fortune 500 Companies, instead they are going into Administrative Support jobs at small companies.
Does anyone agree we should be tougher on students to prepare for a tougher world?
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Originally Posted by hnsq
This is actually completely wrong. Most of the corporate world is moving towards flextime schedules and work from home options. I work for a fortune 500 company and I can basically set my own hours, as long as I get my work done.
If you are going to 'train your students for the corporate world' at least learn how it works.
Learning is like painting. It requires at least two coats. In other words, it is very important to introduce the concept and then review it a second time so that it saturates. I do agree that kids need to be held accountable, but it can back-fire on you when nazi-style tactics are employed, like "don't bother coming to class if you're not prepared". The student in this case is not being disruptive, correct? Hey, they made the effort to show up. You can grade them on participation, etc., like others have said.
This is actually completely wrong. Most of the corporate world is moving towards flextime schedules and work from home options. I work for a fortune 500 company and I can basically set my own hours, as long as I get my work done.
If you are going to 'train your students for the corporate world' at least learn how it works.
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Originally Posted by Weekend Traveler
These students are not going into cushy jobs with flexibility at Fortune 500 Companies, instead they are going into Administrative Support jobs at small companies.
Does anyone agree we should be tougher on students to prepare for a tougher world?
I can see both sides here. I don't have to deal with punctuality at my job either, except for meetings, of course. But, it is important for lower tier jobs. A friend of mind was recently fired for being written up three times. Two of the write-ups were for being late. And I'm not talking an hour or two, but a few minutes. She worked at a hospital. I find that to be so weird, but that's how it goes.
I agree that the class room should be rigorous. Again, I don't think parroting is the answer. One thing I hated in college was having to give presentations and it was par for the course in a lot of my classes. Little did I know that it was standard practice in my field (duh, that's why we were doing it lol). In hind sight, I think presentations are another great way for active involvement in the class that involves grading. Student's on the receiving end of a presentation should be expected to comment and ask questions following the presentation. As another poster noted, this should all be spelled out in the syllabus.
Students have different learning styles. There are also many instructing styles, and embarrassing students is one of the least effective, least respectful of any of them.
I have attended many corporate training classes, and generally, corporate trainings are geared toward addressing ALL learning styles. Teaching is an art form. Just because a teacher knows the material thoroughly does not mean that he or she is a good teacher. A thoughtful instructor will put time and energy into presenting course materials in a way that appeals to all learning styles.
Several posters have pointed out there are other ways to motivate students rather than using embarassment. As a student who was one of the ones who drifted off, I think using thoughtful ways for students to be more participatory is the best way to resolve this issue.
The students are only being embarrassed if they did not do the work and are not actively involved in class. Would a boss embarrass a worker if he or she was not prepared with the answers in a corporate meeting?
Oh, I forgot, because they are paying to learn us teachers have to be easier on them than a corporate setting.
People seem to go to easy on today's students. They assume that passing the test is enough. It is not, nor should it be. We are in a new time here in America, we need to toughen the standards or we will turn into a third world country. All aspects of the students actions need to be determined and evaluated. That includes: attendance, class room participation, interest, preparation, energy level, testing scores and punctuality. Just like the corporate world.
I agree, if you can you should place a participation grade on your syllabus to reflect those things. Additionally while they are paying you. Your school has a reputation to uphold if a little embarrassment is what is necessary to produce quality grads and uphold the reputation of your school as being a quality education institution I say embarrass away. A schools grads, can reflect poorly or well on a schools reputation. If someone coasts through they probably should meet resistance if they do not then that is a problem with the school.
I agree, if you can you should place a participation grade on your syllabus to reflect those things. Additionally while they are paying you. Your school has a reputation to uphold if a little embarrassment is what is necessary to produce quality grads and uphold the reputation of your school as being a quality education institution I say embarrass away. A schools grads, can reflect poorly or well on a schools reputation. If someone coasts through they probably should meet resistance if they do not then that is a problem with the school.
How are they coasting if they can pass the tests? They, obviously, know the material. Whether it's in test form or class discussion, they're going to have to learn the exact same material either way. And it's not like Weekend Traveler is having a class discussion here. He/She is making them repeat back everything he/she says. Tell me, again, how is that educational?
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. Whether it's in test form or class discussion, they're going to have to learn the exact same material either way. And it's not like Weekend Traveler is having a class discussion here. He/She is making them repeat back everything he/she says. Tell me, again, how is that educational?
