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I agree students have different learning styles. I learned way better without the typical lecture, learn, study, and take multiple choice exam structure.
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Originally Posted by 'M'
Students have different learning styles. There are also many instructing styles, and embarrassing students is one of the least effective, least respectful of any of them.
I have attended many corporate training classes, and generally, corporate trainings are geared toward addressing ALL learning styles. Teaching is an art form. Just because a teacher knows the material thoroughly does not mean that he or she is a good teacher. A thoughtful instructor will put time and energy into presenting course materials in a way that appeals to all learning styles.
Several posters have pointed out there are other ways to motivate students rather than using embarassment. As a student who was one of the ones who drifted off, I think using thoughtful ways for students to be more participatory is the best way to resolve this issue.
These students are not going into cushy jobs with flexibility at Fortune 500 Companies, instead they are going into Administrative Support jobs at small companies.
Does anyone agree we should be tougher on students to prepare for a tougher world?
Tougher world? Being beat by their parents, living homeless, being adopted several times, having to work at a young age, getting cancer, lupis, ect.There are a lot of things students go through already, how much tougher does it need to be? Assuming that your students have a cushy life is really sad. I hope this next generation does not get ready for corporate life and work towards working for themselves.
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Originally Posted by Weekend Traveler
The students are only being embarrassed if they did not do the work and are not actively involved in class. Would a boss embarrass a worker if he or she was not prepared with the answers in a corporate meeting?
Oh, I forgot, because they are paying to learn us teachers have to be easier on them than a corporate setting.
Unless you are teaching a public speaking class, there is no way someone could be prepared for a corporate meeting. Knowing a skill is one thing, presenting it to a team of corporate management is another.
I am only concerned because you are assuming your student's life and if any of them are older adults, late 20's early 30's, will feel alienated. Do know if any of your students are slow or cannot respond? When my teacher in public speaking points me out and asks me a question. I will be unable to respond sometimes because I do not think on my feet like someone in sales. I have to hear it, do the task, then i can answer the question.
But do not get me wrong, I am not attacking your effort. Because at the same time i feel the same as you for the ones that are not paying attention. The ones on laptops or playing around with their phone. Not only does it distract other students, but is annoying.
When i first took Japanese in college when i first got out of high school, i thought it would be different. Wrong. Everyone joked, talked and distracted me from learning anything from the teacher. It was annoying. Anyway, there is another reply to your posts.
These students are not going into cushy jobs with flexibility at Fortune 500 Companies, instead they are going into Administrative Support jobs at small companies.
Does anyone agree we should be tougher on students to prepare for a tougher world?
I don't think that is any of your business. Teach them the curriculum and leave your personal ideologies out of it. How arrogant of you. You should be ashamed.
How are they coasting if they can pass the tests? They, obviously, know the material. Whether it's in test form or class discussion, they're going to have to learn the exact same material either way. And it's not like Weekend Traveler is having a class discussion here. He/She is making them repeat back everything he/she says. Tell me, again, how is that educational?
I consider Cs and Ds coasting. A great deal of students pass tests with these grades and coast on thru. As to the rest of your points read post read post #6 for my answers.
I consider Cs and Ds coasting. A great deal of students pass tests with these grades and coast on thru. As to the rest of your points read post read post #6 for my answers.
Where did the OP say they were making C's and D's on the test? And, yeah, that style of teaching is working out real well for the OP so far. It's not like he/she came on an internet board asking strangers, most of whom probably have no teaching background, how to handle their class or anything. Pardon my sarcasm. All the OP is going to do is annoy those in the class that actually are wanting to learn.
Where did the OP say they were making C's and D's on the test? And, yeah, that style of teaching is working out real well for the OP so far. It's not like he/she came on an internet board asking strangers, most of whom probably have no teaching background, how to handle their class or anything. Pardon my sarcasm. All the OP is going to do is annoy those in the class that actually are wanting to learn.
The OP did not say anything about Cs and Ds as coasting, I did. I believe you said "how are they coasting if they can pass the tests?" I was simply answering your question. Also a lot of people including myself bound ideas off people here. Granted you will get a lot of foolish responses, but occasionally you find pearls of wisdom. I am not sure why the OP did it I am just posting my ideas.
You are a student. Do you not realize embarrassing somebody is a form of harassment?
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I agree, if you can you should place a participation grade on your syllabus to reflect those things. Additionally while they are paying you. Your school has a reputation to uphold if a little embarrassment is what is necessary to produce quality grads and uphold the reputation of your school as being a quality education institution I say embarrass away. A schools grads, can reflect poorly or well on a schools reputation. If someone coasts through they probably should meet resistance if they do not then that is a problem with the school.
I am not sure why you would care if a student looks like they aren't paying attention. The student is paying to go to the class, if they don't pay attention they won't learn the material and they will fail the test. It is as simple as that. It always annoyed me when profs. did this in college. I learn very well on my own. Most of the time I would read ahead in the book and try to 'teach' myself the material while sitting in class. Obviously it always looked like I wasn't paying attention. When I was confused with what I read on my own, I would tune in and listen to the lecture for clues. I also got very good grades in school. Your students are the one paying money, it seems very unreasonable of you to tell them how they should learn and what they should do. As a teacher your job is to present the material to them and give them the tools to learn it. You aren't teaching 1st grade. It is your student's responsibility to learn it, and if they don't...fail them! If someone can pass your tests while not paying attention (or even not showing up to class), good for them!
You are a student. Do you not realize embarrassing somebody is a form of harassment?
Yes I am a student and no, since when is embarrassment harassment? Sometimes I think we are becoming to PC about everything. I think embarrassment is a good motivator. It might just be me, but I think this idea of handling everyone with kid gloves is insane. At some point it has got to be sink or swim. Whats next...soon is society going to say giving people Fs is harassment, God forbid we give people things based on merit. Imho like grades, respect must earned and if you don't put out you should get embarrassed and lose face. Academics, like most of life is and should be challenging and an arena of equal opportunity and unequal reward and a little embarrassment is a good motivator for next time. Especially if a student is not paying attention and a little embarrassment helps them get their s*** together.
Yes I am a student and no, since when is embarrassment harassment? Sometimes I think we are becoming to PC about everything. I think embarrassment is a good motivator. It might just be me, but I think this idea of handling everyone with kid gloves is insane. At some point it has got to be sink or swim. Whats next...soon is society going to say giving people Fs is harassment, God forbid we give people things based on merit. Imho like grades, respect must earned and if you don't put out you should get embarrassed and lose face. Academics, like most of life is and should be challenging and an arena of equal opportunity and unequal reward and a little embarrassment is a good motivator for next time. Especially if a student is not paying attention and a little embarrassment helps them get their s*** together.
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. Whether it's in test form or class discussion, they're going to have to learn the exact same material either way. And it's not like Weekend Traveler is having a class discussion here. He/She is making them repeat back everything he/she says. Tell me, again, how is that educational?
All the OP is going to do is annoy those in the class that actually are wanting to learn.
