lf not Texas, then where?

[Little Toe]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

I think that will make history look on W much more fondly. He had the balls to stand up to him. Ted Cruz, who is Trumps personal happy ending giver, should be frowned upon in history for that. Trump called his wife to ugly, called him Lying Ted, and insulted his father, and spineless Ted Cruz goes back to tickle his taint. He has no integrity.

This thread is crashing like the Hindenburg and I still can't think of a place to move to outside of Texas. My chiropractor doctor friend moved to Peru and learned Spanish immediately. He is very resourceful. I told a friend from North Dakota that I planned to move to that state's badlands with a shovel to fill them up. There is a lot of Fargo speaking people. Trump is probably the greatest president ever - someone that comes around every 500 years or do. I think we need to pass an ammendment allowing him to serve three terms. He moved to Florida. Florida is a possibility.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by Little Toe

This thread is crashing like the Hindenburg and I still can't think of a place to move to outside of Texas. My chiropractor doctor friend moved to Peru and learned Spanish immediately. He is very resourceful. I told a friend from North Dakota that I planned to move to that state's badlands with a shovel to fill them up. There is a lot of Fargo speaking people. Trump is probably the greatest president ever - someone that comes around every 500 years or do. I think we need to pass an ammendment allowing him to serve three terms. He moved to Florida. Florida is a possibility.

Without derailing this thread from the original topic, lets just say your last three sentences made me laugh out loud for a few minutes.

If youre a Trumper, Texas is conservative but its not fascist or populist. Trump is the later two. So perhaps youd be happier in North Dakota or West Virginia.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

I think if Biden does lose, the Democrats will go full socialist.

What will happen is the left wing of the party will gain more credibility because in their eyes they put up two moderates that failed.

Thats another reason why Biden REALLY needs to win in my view. Otherwise both parties go more extreme.

Biden winning will actually save both parties.

[Little Toe]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

Biden winning will actually save both parties.

A comedy writer writing for Joe Biden would die from laughter before completing the first joke. He is so ridiculous that it is unreal. It is better than comedy! If he loses, his many campaign routines are going to go down as classic! He alone has brought back entertainment. He is so spontaneous in his senile state that it is genius. He doesn't get my vote, but he has to be the entertainer of the decade!
All those German people living up around Fargo seem simple, warm, and nice. I don't know. I guess one could try to live amongst the Amish. Texas is just doomed! Where does one go when things invaribly go to hell here? There aren't any more lands-of-opportunity other than perhaps Mars.

[C24L]

Originally Posted by Little Toe

IF Texas no longer is the place to be with experts antagonizing predicting it will fall by the wayside as California is now in the process of doing, as the city of Chicago is now falling in status with its once designation of being a fabulous retail center, and the northeast further corrupting into a money pit of higher and higher taxes, where is the next place of opportunity to go? Oklahoma? Perhaps Peru? The moon?
I just can't imagine living anywhere outside the world that is Texas.

I guess Oklahoma or Arkansas or TN for me if it ever came to that in my lifetime.

[Need4Camaro]

I personally feel some are freaking out. It will take alot of changes before TX becomes the next CA. It's not 'impossible' but I don't see it happening in the near future, if ever.

San Francisco and Los Angeles exoduses are happening largely because the extreme CoL. The politics are mainly the icing on the cake in comparison, extremely annoying but still 'tolerable' for what you get in California if it were still affordable. The reason California is so expensive is because their major cities have strict development requirements and also prohibit high density nodes in many areas. This pushes down supply, while demand is still high, especially with all the young hipsters moving there pushing 6 figures. It literally became a different market that is very inhospitable for anything that isn't a high earner. Add atop that anything affordable in California is near areas prone to wildfires and subject to sky high insurance, there just isn't much you can do to escape the high CoL.

Texas has much more in the way of developable land around its urban areas and a lot more options in terms of where they can develop, what they can develop and less building code restrictions. We won't meet those limits for a LONG time, and when we come close to them we still have the option to focus on density.

Another big difference, is our politicians. On a state level, they are literally Yin and Yang. It's going to take a long time before Texas adopts a progressive state leadership, largely because the metro areas of the TexPlex (DFW, ATX, SATX, HOU) only makes up for about 1/4th of the state. The rest of the state is less urban and also more conservative, thus progressives will be within the urban areas and the politics will make an impact there, but we are not going to become the next Los Angeles or San Francisco.. (well ... everything except maybe Austin)

That stated, after having been to every state in the country, there really isn't anywhere else I'd desire to be. The places I love are too expensive and have too many issues. The places that are 'safe' are too rural and conservative. (I'm neither a progressive nor conservative, I need a mix)... so unless something changes with the rest of the country I'm pretty much here until the end.

[Angie682]

You need to move to Utah

[hindsight2020]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

I personally feel some are freaking out. It will take alot of changes before TX becomes the next CA. It's not 'impossible' but I don't see it happening in the near future, if ever.

San Francisco and Los Angeles exoduses are happening largely because the extreme CoL. The politics are mainly the icing on the cake in comparison, extremely annoying but still 'tolerable' for what you get in California if it were still affordable. The reason California is so expensive is because their major cities have strict development requirements and also prohibit high density nodes in many areas. This pushes down supply, while demand is still high, especially with all the young hipsters moving there pushing 6 figures. It literally became a different market that is very inhospitable for anything that isn't a high earner. Add atop that anything affordable in California is near areas prone to wildfires and subject to sky high insurance, there just isn't much you can do to escape the high CoL.

Texas has much more in the way of developable land around its urban areas and a lot more options in terms of where they can develop, what they can develop and less building code restrictions. We won't meet those limits for a LONG time, and when we come close to them we still have the option to focus on density.

Another big difference, is our politicians. On a state level, they are literally Yin and Yang. It's going to take a long time before Texas adopts a progressive state leadership, largely because the metro areas of the TexPlex (DFW, ATX, SATX, HOU) only makes up for about 1/4th of the state. The rest of the state is less urban and also more conservative, thus progressives will be within the urban areas and the politics will make an impact there, but we are not going to become the next Los Angeles or San Francisco.. (well ... everything except maybe Austin)

That stated, after having been to every state in the country, there really isn't anywhere else I'd desire to be. The places I love are too expensive and have too many issues. The places that are 'safe' are too rural and conservative. (I'm neither a progressive nor conservative, I need a mix)... so unless something changes with the rest of the country I'm pretty much here until the end.

Indeed. At least you have the intellectual honesty to highlight the cost of living issues of the coasts have little to do with the politics of the inhabitants. It's the supply side of housing and geographic zoning barriers (both topo and socioeconomic-elitist aka NIMBY) that have created large inflationary pressures (outright rank asset inflationary bubbles afaic) on the housing stock in the topo-desirable corners of our Country. It just so happens that political liberals tend to be more educated and thus command higher wages, pricing the relative lumpenproletariat (<- and I'm being slightly facetious with that characterization, but not by much) out of these desirable geographic nodes.


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Social conservatives are having a conniption as they recognize that these gentrification dynamics DO affect the Sunbelt cost of living status quo. But the politics are not germane to the dynamic that this gentrification highlights. IOW, the canyon of Causation vis Correlation. We personally despise the local politics of this state, but we can't afford to live where we'd prefer without incurring house-poor antics, which we despise. So we make lemonade with the lemons we're pelted with. It's called economic nomadism, and it's as American as apple pie. I get an affordable roof over my head without incurring house-poor antics, while this state get the benefit of my intellect, education, consumption (70% of GDP, might I remind the peanut gallery), and steady-as-clockwork tax receipts. More than fair trade considering my income source is national, not derived out of an employer HQ in TX. In short, the local political bent is not the genesis of my employment revenue being facilitated, so enough with the absurd TX jingoism.

AFAIC this state and I are categorically even, carpetbagger aspersions from the "natives" be damned. If my presence here purples up the place for the duration of our tenure, tough cookie. That's American freedom of movement. Cut me a check for the difference where me and the wife would rather be, and we'll get out of everyone's hair...*crickets* yup, didn't think so. Now everybody keep their hands to themselves for the duration of the ride, have a Snickers, and try to get along in this regulatory captured, housing captive-audience short bus, cuz we're stuck with each other for a while. Cheers!

[supfromthesite]

Typical, demanding other people's money...