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Originally Posted by Obrienlester
Even tho I'm a Texas immigrant (Originally from FL) I would have to say this is somewhat true, but I wouldn't particularly say that its coming from say Californians like everyone in Texas like to say its coming from...
I tend to experience most of the more aggressive people come from Louisiana.
In terms of passive aggressive / unfriendly / and just flat out aggressive behavior I've noticed it from my own workplace from the people I've worked with and the amount of phone calls I get at our call center. It is rare at times to find people I've had a good solid interaction with from that state.
I blame mostly Hurricane Katrina for destroying most of their homes, and Louisiana just being a poor state like Mississippi, and Alabama for having the people to uproot from there to move to the great friendly state of Texas. Houston is a perfect example with the 5th ward area with displaced Louisanians. Louisiana just off of the reputation alone is one state I REFUSE to EVER VISIT.
So in regards that, its not particularly that we have a mass influx of people from different states that move here. Its just the environments that they came from with issues they haven't resolved personally is the main issue.
Sounds like your argument is more with NOLA. Louisiana is a heck of a lot more than the slums of New Orleans. Now to back up your thoughts, to an extent with mine, I haven't been to NOLA since 1999 and I agree these mostly dregs of society that invaded Texas (and Houston) are in a lot of cases just one step above the predator status of the animal kingdom. Been a problem since 2005 and stats are there to reinforce this.
But, many fine folks inhabit Louisiana and you equating these invading dregs of society to the La. population as a whole is tantamount to saying any whole population is bad due to the immoralities of a segment of that population. Just ain't right!!!
La. is a backward corrupt governments state. But it is also rich in culture(s) and worthy of partaking in that culture(s). Suit yourself in not going there and in your prejudices but your assessment is totally unfair and non inclusive of the whole. Just like aggressive people in Teas wherever they are from... understand where they come from (background), guard yourself from them, and enjoy the good parts of life. JMHO
BTW, SW, and mid coast to 200 miles inland was ravaged by 4 strong hurricanes the previous 2 years and those resilient people are not showing the characteristics you have attributed to Katrina refugees. Give LA. a break.
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This is a very unusual list of reasons to stay in a state, OP.
Usually, lists involving staying put or moving include:
my family and friends are here (or not here)
I hate the heat (or, I love the heat)
I own property here I enjoy (or I don't)
It's located near places I enjoy visiting (or isn't)
I love my job (or hate it)
Even tho I'm a Texas immigrant (Originally from FL) I would have to say this is somewhat true, but I wouldn't particularly say that its coming from say Californians like everyone in Texas like to say its coming from...
I tend to experience most of the more aggressive people come from Louisiana (Or I like to call it Loseriana, I'm a Carolina Panther and like to poke fun at Aints fans)
In terms of passive aggressive / unfriendly / and just flat out aggressive behavior I've noticed it from my own workplace from the people I've worked with and the amount of phone calls I get at our call center. It is rare at times to find people I've had a good solid interaction with from that state.
I blame mostly Hurricane Katrina for destroying most of their homes, and Louisiana just being a poor state like Mississippi, and Alabama for having the people to uproot from there to move to the great friendly state of Texas. Houston is a perfect example with the 5th ward area with displaced Louisanians. Louisiana just off of the reputation alone is one state I REFUSE to EVER VISIT.
So in regards that, its not particularly that we have a mass influx of people from different states that move here. Its just the environments that they came from with issues they haven't resolved personally is the main issue.
That's what I've been thinking, especially in Houston.
Even tho I'm a Texas immigrant (Originally from FL) I would have to say this is somewhat true, but I wouldn't particularly say that its coming from say Californians like everyone in Texas like to say its coming from...
I tend to experience most of the more aggressive people come from Louisiana (Or I like to call it Loseriana, I'm a Carolina Panther and like to poke fun at Aints fans)
In terms of passive aggressive / unfriendly / and just flat out aggressive behavior I've noticed it from my own workplace from the people I've worked with and the amount of phone calls I get at our call center. It is rare at times to find people I've had a good solid interaction with from that state.
I blame mostly Hurricane Katrina for destroying most of their homes, and Louisiana just being a poor state like Mississippi, and Alabama for having the people to uproot from there to move to the great friendly state of Texas. Houston is a perfect example with the 5th ward area with displaced Louisanians. Louisiana just off of the reputation alone is one state I REFUSE to EVER VISIT.
So in regards that, its not particularly that we have a mass influx of people from different states that move here. Its just the environments that they came from with issues they haven't resolved personally is the main issue.
This coming from a Florida native. The Irony LOL Never have I been to a more passive aggressive unfriendly CITY like I had with my experience in Miami. But than again I'm not going to generalize the entire state or even Miami based off some bad experiences I had over a 3 day weekend.
But you're whole take on Louisiana people I'd say is kind of interesting. Sounds like you don't have many interactions with people from Louisiana outside of your job and a sports rivalry. Which who judges an entire state based off the few people from that state at their job and a sports rivalry?
Now if we're talking Louisiana vs. the state of Houston, I tend to find Louisiana including NEW ORLEANS to generally be more outwardly friendly than Houston, Dallas and Austin. I'm not going to say these 3 cities are unfriendly generally but I think the sprawling, car centric attributes that make the metros create an environment that is less interactive and less intimate than smaller legacy cities like New Orleans. From my experience San Antonio seems like the friendliest major city in Texas.
I think what you have in the state is generally city vs smaller cities culture. Coming from East Texas, anytime I visited Louisiana including New Orleans I always found the state to be more friendlier and personal than the big cities in Texas. That's one of the reasons me and my Wife got married in New Orleans.
As far as Katrina? That was 2005. It's 2022. We're still holding on to that myth? Not to mention most people didn't even end up in 5th ward to begin. Not to mention 5th ward has always been a rough area since the late 60's so I don't understand where that statement was coming from.
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Originally Posted by BobTex
Sounds like your argument is more with NOLA. Louisiana is a heck of a lot more than the slums of New Orleans. Now to back up your thoughts, to an extent with mine, I haven't been to NOLA since 1999 and I agree these mostly dregs of society that invaded Texas (and Houston) are in a lot of cases just one step above the predator status of the animal kingdom. Been a problem since 2005 and stats are there to reinforce this.
But, many fine folks inhabit Louisiana and you equating these invading dregs of society to the La. population as a whole is tantamount to saying any whole population is bad due to the immoralities of a segment of that population. Just ain't right!!!
La. is a backward corrupt governments state. But it is also rich in culture(s) and worthy of partaking in that culture(s). Suit yourself in not going there and in your prejudices but your assessment is totally unfair and non inclusive of the whole. Just like aggressive people in Teas wherever they are from... understand where they come from (background), guard yourself from them, and enjoy the good parts of life. JMHO
BTW, SW, and mid coast to 200 miles inland was ravaged by 4 strong hurricanes the previous 2 years and those resilient people are not showing the characteristics you have attributed to Katrina refugees. Give LA. a break.
A criminologist did a study on that where he debunked that theory. But you know it's kind of human nature to always blame outsiders for everything wrong with their community.
Location: East Texas, with the Clan of the Cave Bear
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I defended La. as I lived on the border and spent a bunch of time on the coast sport and commercially fishing and had almost unanimously positive interactions with the people. Also worked with dozens of RN's from LA and all were outstanding in their own right.
Redlion Jr, I found several hiccups in the study you cited.
Right off this New Englander sociologist states right off that Houstonian's perceptions were "probably wrong". Then the man making a statistical study of Houston crime post-Katrina states this : " But because it’s unclear exactly what Houston’s population was following Katrina, it’s impossible to know the true crime rate." SMDH Can't be definitive. This link you posted is full of suppositions, maybes, and probablys. This sociologist is NOT definitive!
Furthermore the article confirms that Homicides increased immediately following the arrival of the refuges. " . . . he saw in Houston that there was, in fact, a statistically significant increase in certain violent crimes – homicides and robbery – in the aftermath of the storm." He also noted the same uptick in these violent crime in one of the 2 other cities receiving refugees. Coincidental maybe.
What I read in your link was an opiniated, vague article from a professor from a private Liberal university in Delaware. The best part was his blaming the Houston PD. I could easily argue ideations by the author to "defund the police" And this as early as 2010. He was before his time!
Location: East Texas, with the Clan of the Cave Bear
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Originally Posted by Thoreau424
OP - If you need an escort to lead you out of state, make that clearer, and maybe we can arrange that!
I'm shocked he's still here . No escort needed. I would have thought he would have jumped in his 2016 Chevy Spark LS long ago and evacuated this "hellhole" !
This coming from a Florida native. The Irony LOL Never have I been to a more passive aggressive unfriendly CITY like I had with my experience in Miami. But than again I'm not going to generalize the entire state or even Miami based off some bad experiences I had over a 3 day weekend.
But you're whole take on Louisiana people I'd say is kind of interesting. Sounds like you don't have many interactions with people from Louisiana outside of your job and a sports rivalry. Which who judges an entire state based off the few people from that state at their job and a sports rivalry?
Now if we're talking Louisiana vs. the state of Houston, I tend to find Louisiana including NEW ORLEANS to generally be more outwardly friendly than Houston, Dallas and Austin. I'm not going to say these 3 cities are unfriendly generally but I think the sprawling, car centric attributes that make the metros create an environment that is less interactive and less intimate than smaller legacy cities like New Orleans. From my experience San Antonio seems like the friendliest major city in Texas.
I think what you have in the state is generally city vs smaller cities culture. Coming from East Texas, anytime I visited Louisiana including New Orleans I always found the state to be more friendlier and personal than the big cities in Texas. That's one of the reasons me and my Wife got married in New Orleans.
As far as Katrina? That was 2005. It's 2022. We're still holding on to that myth? Not to mention most people didn't even end up in 5th ward to begin. Not to mention 5th ward has always been a rough area since the late 60's so I don't understand where that statement was coming from.
A criminologist did a study on that where he debunked that theory. But you know it's kind of human nature to always blame outsiders for everything wrong with their community.
I just read through the, "study" in question. If a medical researcher rigged the data (the bit about Phoenix accepting Katrina evacuees as well but not setting those numbers into proper rates) and disregarded time horizons as that guy did they'd be fired or at best crucified during peer review.
At the very best that guy offered some partial counter arguments........he debunked nothing.
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