12-22-2008, 09:02 AM
Location: Central Texas
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Which Ann Richards are you talking about?????? Surely not the one that was Governor of Texas!
12-22-2008, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by
Cathy4017
I don't think he's Texan at all, other than by preferred residence.
Same here. I've NEVER considered Bush a "Texan". EVER!
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Originally Posted by
TexasHorseLady
Well, I'm "Texan through and through," as well (we were here before there WAS a Texas), and I disagree with you. He has something of a Texas accent (one of them), but he's never struck me as a Texan. His wife, yes. But not him.
But, then, I'm definitely not on the "Texas is the SOUTH, never mind all those other influences" bandwagon, either.
Funny how most Native Texans are the ones that don't consider him one bit "Texan" and transplants and those that live in other states/countries DO.
Hmmm, wonder which ones really know what makes someone a real "Texan". I'd say us natives but then I'm bias.
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TexasHorseLady
I'm not going to scream at you (that wouldn't be a polite Texan thing to do), but my opinion was formed when he first hit my radar LONG before he became President. I wondered what on earth that person was doing running for Governor of Texas and when he'd moved here and from where, before I knew his history.
It was bad enough he owned part of the Texas Rangers. Then he up and said he was running for Governor of our fine state. I'm betting if anyone were able to go back to each voter in that election and found out where they were from they would find the MAJORITY of those that voted for him were NOT from Texas. Texas Monthly had a GREAT article on the election between him and Ann Richards. Ann Richards did A LOT for the State of Texas to make it attractive for businesses to operate here. Which in turn brought a lot of transplants for the jobs. These jobs now were created BY what ANN RICHARDS did and accomplished while in office. Yet those that came flocking here for them voted for Bush not realizing he was NOT the one that created the economy that was keeping this state afloat and making it better.
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Canine*Castle
He wasn't born here nor were his folks, but he was raised here (since the age of 2) and is quite a Texan to me.
Personally, I think he appears to be a lot like Ann Richards, but that's just my opinion.
It is the way he acts that makes it sooooo apparent to us Natives that he is NOT a Texan at all.
There is nothing about him that resembles ANYTHING of Ann Richards.
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TexasHorseLady
Which Ann Richards are you talking about?????? Surely not the one that was Governor of Texas!
NO KIDDING!!!! To say that even one itty bitty thing that Bush has EVER done in his life is like Ann Richards the former Governor of Texas........... wow. No way!
There are people that were born elsewhere that move to Texas and adapt. They can become more "Texas like". Bush however has NOT. All he has done is try to "play Texan". Much like my kids play school and one pretends to be the teacher even though they are still in elementary school. His actions speak louder than words and time and again he has proven there is nothing about him that resembles a TRUE Native Texan. What Bush does is the same that all professional politicians do.......... they posture themselves to APPEAR to be something they are not to a crowd they are TRYING to attract at that point in time. One day he may TRY to appear to be "Texan" and the next day he is playing his East Coast roots to get those votes. He has NOT let go of those East Coast roots at all. He uses them every chance he gets. Those that TRULY KNOW what that type of person REALLY is will recognize the fakeness in it in a split second and know it for what it is. FAKE!
12-22-2008, 10:52 AM
Location: Where I live.
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Well, I'm "Texan through and through," as well (we were here before there WAS a Texas), and I disagree with you. He has something of a Texas accent (one of them), but he's never struck me as a Texan. His wife, yes. But not him.
But, then, I'm definitely not on the "Texas is the SOUTH, never mind all those other influences" bandwagon, either.
Laura is a native Texan, born and raised in Midland, so yep......
Bush the younger was born in NH, CT while his father was attending Yale. That family has deep eastern roots--nothing wrong with that, but he's no Texan. Bush the elder was born in MA, and you don't get any more east coast than that!!
12-22-2008, 11:35 AM
Location: from houstoner to bostoner to new yorker to new jerseyite ;)
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momof2dfw
Same here. I've NEVER considered Bush a "Texan". EVER!
I never voted for Dubya or his father, and never would in a million years, but I totally agree with you here. I don't think the transplants get it, though. What he does/has always done is to play out the stereotypes of being a Texan; what "Texan" looks like to the outside world. He's a caricature of a Texan. A real native Texan, particularly of his social class and standing, is something quite different than the stereotypes.
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12-22-2008, 04:41 PM
Location: Somewhere in Texas
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Which Ann Richards are you talking about?????? Surely not the one that was Governor of Texas!
Yes, that's the one; there is no other. Personally, I couldn't stand her and like Bush much more, but they are/were very similar in character to me. I just think he's nicer, but maybe that's just a facade.
His demeanor and attitude is what makes me think Texan. How funny? We're all so different, but that's a good thing.
That's a compliment to him and what I think is Texan. I think he's nice and Richards, not nice.
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12-22-2008, 04:50 PM
Location: Central Texas
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I think Houstoner pegged it. As a transplant, you have a stereotype of a Texan and he plays to that. We see through it
12-22-2008, 04:53 PM
Location: from houstoner to bostoner to new yorker to new jerseyite ;)
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Yes, that's the one; there is no other. Personally, I couldn't stand her and like Bush much more, but they are/were very similar in character to me. I just think he's nicer, but maybe that's just a facade.
His demeanor and attitude is what makes me think Texan. How funny? We're all so different, but that's a good thing.
Are you serious? In
character ??? They couldn't have been more different. In what ways do you think they're alike? For one thing, Richards was far and away more intelligent, and that's just ONE thing out of many... I've noticed Californians and people on the West Coast have a seeming inability to see beneath the surface of things. They see a thing and think that's all there is to it. I think it's because of the topography. And Hollywood. Anyway, I say that to say I'm not that surprised by your POV. It just seems so very off to me. I've never heard anyone compare the two...
12-22-2008, 04:53 PM
Location: Somewhere in Texas
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Funny how most Native Texans are the ones that don't consider him one bit "Texan" and transplants and those that live in other states/countries DO.
Perhaps you should outline what makes a person a "real" Texan other than being a native Texas. That doesn't cut it in most cases.
I do agree that Bush is fake and does try to portray the cowboy. I believe the Crawford Ranch was just a prop, in a sense. Now that he's looking to live in Preston Hollow, oh my, what a difference. Oh well, no one really knows the true intent of the ranch and now the elite area.
I always thought Richards was a fake and as I said, I couldn't stand her but if you say she did well for Texas, I believe you. I didn't pay much attention to politics in the early 90s.
12-22-2008, 05:10 PM
Location: Somewhere in Texas
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Are you serious? In
character ??? They couldn't have been more different. In what ways do you think they're alike? For one thing, Richards was far and away more intelligent, and that's just ONE thing out of many... I've noticed Californians and people on the West Coast have a seeming inability to see beneath the surface of things. They see a thing and think that's all there is to it. I think it's because of the topography. And Hollywood. Anyway, I say that to say I'm not that surprised by your POV. It just seems so very off to me. I've never heard anyone compare the two...
She had a very superior attitude and although Bush has a slight one, it's not as bad as Richards'.
She had a lot of spunk, but was full of wisecracks all the time. I didn't think that was cute at all. He's a bit of a smart alec, but he's not at all on her level.
You know, you're right. Dubya and Ann really are different in character. I think he has more of the "good stuff" and to me, he'll always be a Texan.
I do hope NOTAM reads this. You all know she's a native and loves Bush. Maybe she can give you more insight on her feelings than a TRANSPLANT can. Heaven help me, what a title I've been given.
Okay, the natives think Laura Bush is a Texan. How in the world does she even compare to the Texan, Richards? Laura is quite a lady and Richards was just a big mouthed, condescending woman. I so admire Laura, soft-spoken, kind, intelligent, and a gracious person. I just didn't see any of that in Ann.
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12-22-2008, 05:15 PM
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I think Houstoner pegged it. As a transplant, you have a stereotype of a Texan and he plays to that. We see through it
The demeanor of Ann Richards was nothing to boast about. Please get off the transplant kick. It's quite corny and after living here 30 years, I didn't just set foot on the soil. I know what I see and if Ann Richards and her nastiness makes a Texan, I will not consider her to be one. (I know she was, but that's not what I like to think of as a friendly and kind person). The natives I know are much nicer than she and so is this transplant.
Do you all know how much a transplant grows in 30 years?
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Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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