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Old 07-20-2012, 08:09 AM
 
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It seems that the apologists for racial profiling are missing a key element of societies based on rule of law. It is that everyone is an individual and that presumed guilt by association is not permitted.
Thank you Acajack. This is the same point I was trying to make. This is why ask certain questions. However, it seems like many people don't want to answer them.

One important question to ask is this question: "How does racial profile help the law abiding citizen if that law abiding citizen is of the same race being targeted"?

What message does it send when a person is targeted by the police because of their race?
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:12 AM
 
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sarcasm on

Then certain nations of the world must have sent all of their bad apples to Toronto since they seem to have done OK in a few other places they have settled...

sarcasm off
It's like the problems with yardies in NYC and London don't exist, apparently. Nope, no sir, Brixton's massive drug and Jamaican gang problem is fictional.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:14 AM
 
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Then explain this. How do you explain Blacks who DON'T exhibit those behaviors getting pulled over for no apparent reason?
There's racist individual police officers, for sure. The policy of stopping people who look like they fit a description isn't racist.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:20 AM
 
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It's like the problems with yardies in NYC and London don't exist, apparently. Nope, no sir, Brixton's massive drug and Jamaican gang problem is fictional.
Have you been to Brixton lately? Its Hipster, Yuppie Central, mixed with a vibrant Black community. Seriously the Yardies are far from the worst gangs in London now. Start living in the present.

In NYC the "Yardies" were never in operation. The Shower Posse was and hasn't been a major player since the 1980's. Around the exact same time they were operating heavily in Miami and Toronto. The difference is the Community has advanced in Miami and NYC since then, what happened in Toronto?
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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It's a crime prevention technique, not a crime solving technique.

The reality that people need to face is that people who look a certain way and subscribe to modern black culture-- this includes white guys and Asians-- are committing the bulk of the crime in this city. If you make it uncomfortable for these people to exist in their criminal underground, crime will go down. No one will be carrying weapons if police are allowed to stop and frisk and illegal gun possession gets you 25 years. If you want to prevent crime, you need to start picking out the people who are more likely to be committing crime. Don't want to get stopped by police? Don't roll up with three of your boys wearing du rags on a street corner and eyefk people. That's not normal behavior and that will and should get you stopped, no matter where you are.
If racial profiling prevented crime, then the Black crime rate would be much lower than it is now. Just the fact that the Black crime is still high shows that racial profiling doesn't work. There is something you aren't understanding. Most crimes committed by Blacks are against other Black people in Black neighborhoods. And if you tabulated all of the crimes committed by Blacks in Toronto, or in the rest of Canada, still, the vast majority of Blacks in Canada are not committing crimes. It is a very small part of the Black population doing it. Even if the odds of a Black man committing a crime are higher, that still doesn't add up in terms of the total population. Odds aren't the same as the total population. Even if the odds were higher, that doesn't guarantee that every Black person who is around is a criminal.

And Acajack raised a very good point. When racial profiling is being done, it violates the basic rule of law by presuming that every individual is guilty by association.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:25 AM
 
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Black people can't do anything wrong, ever. I get it. After all, we've enslaved all these Jamaicans in rough Toronto tenements with free education in excellent schools and free health care, since... oh, 1982 or so.

From Wiki, re: Brixton:

"In 2007 firearm offences rose by 4 per cent in London, totalling 3,459 ‘gun-enabled’ crimes, including 30 gun murders of which nine victims were aged 18 or under. A series of gun crimes in the Brixton, Clapham and Streatham, including the Murders of three boys in one week, lead some media commentators to call the area ‘gun capital’.[85]"
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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In NYC the "Yardies" were never in operation.
LMAAAAO.

Pure comedy.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Cambridge, MA/London, UK
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Black people can't do anything wrong, ever. I get it. After all, we've enslaved all these Jamaicans in rough Toronto tenements with free education in excellent schools and free health care, since... oh, 1982 or so.

From Wiki, re: Brixton:

"In 2007 firearm offences rose by 4 per cent in London, totalling 3,459 ‘gun-enabled’ crimes, including 30 gun murders of which nine victims were aged 18 or under. A series of gun crimes in the Brixton, Clapham and Streatham, including the Murders of three boys in one week, lead some media commentators to call the area ‘gun capital’.[85]"
Brixton: regeneration or gentrification? | Philip Dayle | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Brixton Gentrification is all over the news, I saw it first hand 8 months ago. Take a stroll through Brixton Market and tell me the predominant culture is still Jamaican. If you want to point to a predominantly Jamaican neighborhood in London you need to look elsewhere.

You can live your life through the TV and Internet, others can actually do it in person. Your choice is obvious.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:33 AM
 
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Black people can't do anything wrong, ever. I get it. After all, we've enslaved all these Jamaicans in rough Toronto tenements with free education in excellent schools and free health care, since... oh, 1982 or so.

From Wiki, re: Brixton:

"In 2007 firearm offences rose by 4 per cent in London, totalling 3,459 ‘gun-enabled’ crimes, including 30 gun murders of which nine victims were aged 18 or under. A series of gun crimes in the Brixton, Clapham and Streatham, including the Murders of three boys in one week, lead some media commentators to call the area ‘gun capital’.[85]"
More proof that racial profiling doesn't work. And this is the UK, where guns are next to impossible to obtain legally.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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LMAAAAO.

Pure comedy.
Okay let me say this slowly. The Yardies are a PNP affiliated street gang that operated in London. The SHOWER POSSE is a JLP affiliated street gang that operated in the US and Canada. See the difference? I was pointing out how little you know about this topic.

You had no idea the difference did you? What a shame.
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