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Smartas*, better in day to day driving.. and better than the 07 camry and previous years that the original question was asked about.. maybe try reading back for reference instead of wasting time being a smartalec.
I thought you were being the smart Alec quoting Daytona and Laguna Seca. I guess you are enjoying the "better steering day to day" whatever that means (to most people it doesn't make sense).
Smartas*, better in day to day driving.. and better than the 07 camry and previous years that the original question was asked about.. maybe try reading back for reference instead of wasting time being a smartalec.
Ok, so it's better than bad previous steering. That doesn't mean the car is any good. Just better than the utter crap that came before.
Funny thing is my BMW, that was vastly better in steering and handling and ride and speed and all the things that make driving enjoyable cost LESS than the new Camry, so it's not being snobby that makes me say the Camry is a snoozefest. Since we are tlaking about the Camry, then commenting on the Camry AND comparing it to cars other than merely previous Camries, is fair.
No, I don't care for boring appliance cars, and I can think of hundreds of more enjoyable, fun, cars with better dynamics that cost the same or less than the Camry and would make driving worth driving, rather than just a boring means of getting from point A to point B.
Ok, so it's better than bad previous steering. That doesn't mean the car is any good. Just better than the utter crap that came before.
Funny thing is my BMW, that was vastly better in steering and handling and ride and speed and all the things that make driving enjoyable cost LESS than the new Camry, so it's not being snobby that makes me say the Camry is a snoozefest. Since we are tlaking about the Camry, then commenting on the Camry AND comparing it to cars other than merely previous Camries, is fair.
No, I don't care for boring appliance cars, and I can think of hundreds of more enjoyable, fun, cars with better dynamics that cost the same or less than the Camry and would make driving worth driving, rather than just a boring means of getting from point A to point B.
I dont care about your opinion or what you like.. but SOMEONE ELSE asked how the steering felt COMPARED to the 07 camry they drove.. THATS the question I ANSWERED for THAT poster... And BMWs are great... On a track and when theyve got 500 hp or more...
Ok, so it's better than bad previous steering. That doesn't mean the car is any good. Just better than the utter crap that came before.
Funny thing is my BMW, that was vastly better in steering and handling and ride and speed and all the things that make driving enjoyable cost LESS than the new Camry, so it's not being snobby that makes me say the Camry is a snoozefest. Since we are tlaking about the Camry, then commenting on the Camry AND comparing it to cars other than merely previous Camries, is fair.
No, I don't care for boring appliance cars, and I can think of hundreds of more enjoyable, fun, cars with better dynamics that cost the same or less than the Camry and would make driving worth driving, rather than just a boring means of getting from point A to point B.
Most people don't give a hoot though. Even BMW has stopped catering to enthusiast while Toyota now makes an actual (supposedly, although I never trust early reviews) fun to drive car while Ford is finally getting around to spending the money to stop hobbling the Mustang to a wagon's suspension in the rear. Which is good as the Mustang, despite being a less than stellar car all around, is a lot of fun to drive for the $. I just can't get over the sensation of the ass end of the car dragging through corners like some sort of self-propelling rickshaw.
Most people don't give a hoot though. Even BMW has stopped catering to enthusiast while Toyota now makes an actual (supposedly, although I never trust early reviews) fun to drive car while Ford is finally getting around to spending the money to stop hobbling the Mustang to a wagon's suspension in the rear. Which is good as the Mustang, despite being a less than stellar car all around, is a lot of fun to drive for the $. I just can't get over the sensation of the ass end of the car dragging through corners like some sort of self-propelling rickshaw.
As a Mustang owner and avid slalom racer with handling experience in hundreds of cars, I have to disagree with your assesment of the Mustang's ability and feel, not just in my '06, but in the new BOSS 302. BTW, what wagon has a multi link rear end under it?
Hes probally comparing the mustang suspension to a horse and buggy wagon, re: the leaf springs.. I havent driven a curent mustang in years on the street, but the newer shelby 500s are perfectly fine on a smooth track, especially a big one like monticello or watkins glen where you can use the 500-600 + hp depending on the year.. and btw Merc, if you havent driven a 12 camry how do you know "how superior" the bmw feel and handling is?? Cause really, not all bmws are the same and besides the top level performing models, most of the basic 3 series and such are just poser rides living off the hype of the real performance and race cars they build and arent much more than a rwd camry type car... Talking smack without an objective driving experience is just snobbery and ego getting in the way..
And btw.. ctsv and amg wagons are a couple of the MANY multilink rear suspended wagons. Leaf sprung wagons are probally much more rare Im sure.
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