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Old 12-23-2008, 10:25 AM
 
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I came across this article from the National Labor Committee

The Toyota you didn't know (http://www.nlcnet.org/article.php?id=562 - broken link)
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Old 12-23-2008, 10:44 AM
 
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The National Labor Committee? Hardly a non-partisan source. Vinny and Guido at the union hall are just afraid of losing more extortion money, I mean "union dues."
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:11 AM
 
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Once I see silly BS like, "In both countries, excessive corporate power and greed are destroying the middle class as income disparity soars, enriching the few while the vast majority of us are left behind," I pretty much tune out. So I made it two sentences in.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:19 AM
 
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Race to the bottom in terms of price = race to the top in terms of value.

Lame socialist propaganda.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:24 AM
 
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Maybe I should have mentioned that you need to read points 4, 5, 11 and 12, there are links to these in the Table of Contents
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Old 12-24-2008, 12:24 AM
 
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I'm sorry that whatever socialist gods you believe in don't make perfect jobs rain from the sky, it seems like jobs have to be created by someone willing to pay. Since the money to pay worker salaries doesn't seem to magically fall from the sky, those jobs need to be economically sustainable, that is creating value for the employer.

I believe in the right to contract. The person mentioned in item #4 chose to work at Toyota, and he died on the job. So it goes. There's always risk of death on any job, and with ~320,000 employees I'm sure Toyota has other examples of this too. Yes, working long hours is bad for your health, but it's up to the individual employee to weigh the risks and the rewards when deciding where to seek and retain employment.

I am firmly against all violent (i.e. government) intervention in the marketplace, including the minimum wage, anti "sweat shop" regulations, government-mandated union benefits, etc. They are the reasons why the U.S. is no longer competitive in so many industries, and Europe will be hit even worse once it runs out of low-wage countries to swallow.

If you don't like the hours or the pay - leave. It's that simple.
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Old 12-24-2008, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I knew what I was getting into on account of it being issued by the "National Labor Committee." But I thought maybe I'd be able to make it through two sentences without being served a plate of predictable stock leftist cliches. No such luck.
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Old 12-24-2008, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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As someone that has lived and worked in Japan for the past three years, I will say that there is no way you can look at the labor laws and standards of the US and apply them to Japan, there are huge cultural differences and some things just dont translate well. Im sure these same arguments and observations if applied in reverse from a Japanese perspective to US business (Auto industry for example) would lead to alarming and damning "evidence" of the US corruption and injustice. Can someone say the US created word "outsource" is not another word for sweatshop perpetrated by Mr. BigBoss in an office, looking to save a dollar?

Im not "pro-Japan" or "pro-US", but I am "pro Common Sense" and right now I see there is very little in the economic steering or long range planning in the states. Just band aid after band aid with no real solutions to the root of the evil and holding the ones to blame accountable. I have hope though....
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Old 12-24-2008, 08:59 AM
 
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well even the work ethics of the two countries is different . What another employee expects of another worker differs. My nephews who worked for his company in japan says that Loyalty and the companies success have completely different significance to employees in japan .
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Old 12-24-2008, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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well even the work ethics of the two countries is different . What another employee expects of another worker differs. My nephews who worked for his company in japan says that Loyalty and the companies success have completely different significance to employees in japan .
This is very true.
I had line staff (average joes) working for me that had been there 20,25 even a guy 30 years! His bonus was insane, but his pay not great. But he still did his job everyday and never, ever called in sick.

The flip side to this is that in Japan people ascend the ranks through seniority not always because of skill or talent. I have met many high level employees or even "shacho" (presidents) that had very little understanding of business or the current state or the world....but hey, its a livin!!

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