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You never know. There have been kids found alive long after their abductions. Colleen Stan was even allowed to visit her family once, years before she was finally freed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnap...f_Colleen_Stan
None of those were found 30 years afterwards, tho.
Staynor and Stan were the 'pre-internet' and 'pre-milk carton' era and were missing the longest. The more recent ones wind up being found after half as long. I'll exclude Kampusch due to it being in Austria and.. I don't know how they are about things like this.
The only ones missing for 10 years that legitimately have a shot at being recovered in todays world are parental kidnappings. The ones where the kids are taken to the middle east by one parent or something. My opinion, of course.
None of those were found 30 years afterwards, tho.
Staynor and Stan were the 'pre-internet' and 'pre-milk carton' era and were missing the longest. The more recent ones wind up being found after half as long. I'll exclude Kampusch due to it being in Austria and.. I don't know how they are about things like this.
The only ones missing for 10 years that legitimately have a shot at being recovered in todays world are parental kidnappings. The ones where the kids are taken to the middle east by one parent or something. My opinion, of course.
Elisabeth Fritzl was found after all that time, though.
What people have to do is examine the story surrounding the abduction. On September 5, 1982, dawn was 6:16am and sunrise was 6:45. According to witnesses, Johnny picked up his newspapers a little after six. The walk from Ashworth and 42nd to Marcourt and 42nd takes five minutes. It was overcast that Sunday morning and I highly doubt anyone saw anything standing at the corner of 42nd and Ashworth looking at Marcourt and 42nd.
Maybe it took Johnny longer, though, as reports claim he took the family miniature dachshund with him. I find that to be dubious at best. You don't take any breed of dog-especially a raving mini dachshund-with you to deliver newspapers. Plus he was reportedly wearing blue plastic thong sandals.
Really?
And the hyper dog just walked back home. A breed that would love to chase little furry animals at dawn?
Come on, research the so-called facts of the abduction and you can only conclude that it is a pile of BS. Noreen repeatedly states she and Leonard first learned of the Johnny's disappearance at 7:30am because customers of Johnny's called to ask about the delivery of the newspapers. If the abduction happened around 6:15am and the dog was the only living thing left at the corner of 42nd and Marcourt, what did the dog do: waltz right home and wait for 75 minutes until Leonard or Noreen opened the door for it?
Moreover, this was Johnny's first route solo. Coincidence?
This case reaks with so much BS and yet, people only talk about the Franklin angle.
Noreen is crazy, as in crazy like a fox. She milked this for more than 30 years knowing her son is dead.
What people have to do is examine the story surrounding the abduction. On September 5, 1982, dawn was 6:16am and sunrise was 6:45. According to witnesses, Johnny picked up his newspapers a little after six. The walk from Ashworth and 42nd to Marcourt and 42nd takes five minutes. It was overcast that Sunday morning and I highly doubt anyone saw anything standing at the corner of 42nd and Ashworth looking at Marcourt and 42nd.
Maybe it took Johnny longer, though, as reports claim he took the family miniature dachshund with him. I find that to be dubious at best. You don't take any breed of dog-especially a raving mini dachshund-with you to deliver newspapers. Plus he was reportedly wearing blue plastic thong sandals.
Really?
And the hyper dog just walked back home. A breed that would love to chase little furry animals at dawn?
Come on, research the so-called facts of the abduction and you can only conclude that it is a pile of BS. Noreen repeatedly states she and Leonard first learned of the Johnny's disappearance at 7:30am because customers of Johnny's called to ask about the delivery of the newspapers. If the abduction happened around 6:15am and the dog was the only living thing left at the corner of 42nd and Marcourt, what did the dog do: waltz right home and wait for 75 minutes until Leonard or Noreen opened the door for it?
Moreover, this was Johnny's first route solo. Coincidence?
This case reaks with so much BS and yet, people only talk about the Franklin angle.
Noreen is crazy, as in crazy like a fox. She milked this for more than 30 years knowing her son is dead.
What are you saying? That you don't think Johnny was kidnapped? I see nothing strange about the boy taking the family dog with him to deliver newspapers. I also don't find it strange that he wore sandals. He was 12. That's pretty normal foot attire for a 12 year old. Most dogs can find their way home. I don't find that odd either. What exactly do you think is "a pile of BS"?
Johnny left the house at 5:45 am and was seen picking up his newspapers by multiple witnesses (other paper boys, also picking up their papers). One witness, a neighbor reported seeing him speaking to a man at the corner who appeared to be asking for directions.
Eugene Wade Martin, another Des Moines paper boy disappeared two years later under similar circumstances. Many believe that that kidnapping is connected to Johnny's. https://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/eugene-martin/
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The Des Moines Register angle is actually a good lead. Maybe both Johnny and Eugene got into a car with an adult they both knew from the Register. In any case, it was overcast and rainy on September 5, 1982 at 6 in the morning. Nobody with a clear thinking mind thinks anyone saw an abduction standing at the corner of 42nd and Ashworth and looking at 42nd and Marcourt.
Unless we have a Jacob Wetterling or Etan Patz moment in which someone finally comes forward and confesses, I don't think we're going to know who kidnapped him or what happened from there. I think his mom has said she's seen him because she wishes that it were true. I think she hopes he's alive and being held by human traffickers because even that's better than thinking he's lying in pieces in a roadside ditch somewhere. I think she accuses her ex because he's her ex, and probably also because he's told her he thinks she should move on with her life, which means he doesn't care Johnny's missing and to her mind that also means he's responsible for Johnny being missing, because hey, that would also mean no more child-support payments. Just because it makes sense to a totally desperate woman doesn't mean it's true.
I don't ble his mother at all. I think she has driven herself mad wondering what happened to her son. Her keeping his name in the media by any means nessecary is her way of keeping him alive in a sense. I think it started with her really beliveing she could find her son or at least what happened, and it is now a desperate woman clinging to anything she can to not deal with the crippling loss. The pedophile, satanic, brainwashing cult is highly unlikely and will bring many mentally ill, and opportunist type out of the woodwork. The boy was likely kidnapped by a stranger (or maybe even an acquaintance) who took advantage of an opportunity, then did things to the boy that are unspeakable before he killed him, and disposed of his body. One day we may find his skeletal remains and put an end to this, or we may never leaving all sorts of crazy conspiracy stories. What saddens me is that all this brainwashing cult nonsense has probably benefited the pervert that killed the boy. Everyone is looking for some cult or group, while some bastard pervert has sat in his BarcaLounger sipping his beer relieved that no one is looking for him.
That's just as good evidence that he's dead as alive.
Term at this point would properly be "Presumed Dead".. I'd say he's as alive as Jimmy Hoffa.
I agree with the person before about the mother driving herself insane.. I think she was/is (Didn't she pass away recently?) grasping at any straw available. Look, I don't hold it against the woman, I can understand it.. But.. We, as outsiders, do need to look at it objectively. She doesn't have to, and she isn't.
She's said pictures found in Florida were of him. She's said he called her. She's said he was abducted by a child porn ring, she's said (I didn't hear this one, but) that the father did it..
She's.. unreliable.
Honestly.. This kid was probably taken by an opportunistic stranger.. Very bad things happened to him.. He was killed and buried. Possibly someone who had a shack out in the woods that didn't have any relatives.. he died.. Property went to the state.. House has collapsed.. Noone else took over the property.. Noone knows he's buried there.
It's hard to 'disappear' someone in today's world, but not impossible.. And it was easier in '82.
50 years from now, when that site is being developed.. a backhoe operator will dig up a skull and the police will send it to analysis and find it's Johnny. Then they'll backtrack the property records and put together a, most likely blurry, picture of what happened.
I think I as a mother of the boy would rather think he was alive than dead. What you're saying is very blunt and insensitive, and I for one would not want to read what you wrote would I be the mother. Whether he is alive or not, I would think the mother may have either created this story as a self defense mechanism, or it really happened and he cannot come home in order to protect her. However only God knows this. So let her be, and put yourself in her shoes and see how'd you feel being in her position.
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