Be honest name everything that is wrong with Tulsa! (Kansas: for sale, house)

[Goodpasture]

71st and Lewis has always been commercial. I think you are talking about 71st and Harvard. Which, if you are, you should be aware that that specific intersection has about 30,000 cars a day on 71st and 18,000 cars a day passing on Harvard making this totally unsuitable for residential usage. You can verify these numbers at Welcome to INCOG.

I also think your comment that the engineers and contractors here do not know how to build a road that will last is misplaced. We have access to the same technology as any other engineer or contractor. The area from Admiral to I-44 was reconstructed and widened not too long ago, the access from 244 to 169 was widened. Maintenance on the 30 year old portion is needed, but with the majority of funds going into the widening of 44 east of the Arkansas, it isn't surprising. I am glad they are leaving some parts of the urban highway dispersal system alone. You should see what the highways are like in other parts of the country where they are constantly closing roads throughout the summer.

[Annemieke Roell]

Originally Posted by DogLover99

I actually live near Tulsa (west). We moved here in 2007 from Houston. The following are my assessments:

1. Lack of vision. The 'we've always done it this way' mentality. I saw someone ding the suburbs vs. Tulsa. The 'burbs would support the city if the city would give the burbs what they want.

River development.
Road improvements.
Emphasis on family/kids
Police/fire academies

Instead you get things you don't want (halls of fame, arenas, pet projects).

2. Lack of priority. Do NOT try to pass a river tax when the rumblings of a new road tax are on the horizon. Do what a city is supposed to do: roads, police, fire.

3. Weather. Nothing we can do, but DANG! Evidently this area is where meteorologists come to train. There's always something happening, snow, ice storm, thunderstorm, tornadoes, hot, cold, wow!

I also don't get the west-a-phobic thing: we lived in Sand Springs for five years, then bought a beautiful home on Lake Keystone, where we've been ever since.

Any other metropolitan area would have developed Lake Keystone, but not Tulsa! My example is Lake Conroe by Houston. Keystone is infinitly more beautiful than Conroe but undeveloped.

Other than that, the good FAR outweighs the bad. Crime is low, and the topography and scenery are wonderful. The people are fabulous, and I love the way everyone helps others.

Great thread, really enjoyed adding my two cents!

Hey ... we are neighbors!!! We are in Terlton.

[Annemieke Roell]

Originally Posted by case44

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Good points on the north side revitalization. That does need to take place.

There is some of that going on but sadly, any improvements made are undone by the residents there immediately.

I have not seen much initiative from the residents in North Tulsa. Are they just sitting around and waiting for others to do it for them?

[airtractorfan]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

71st and Lewis has always been commercial. I think you are talking about 71st and Harvard. Which, if you are, you should be aware that that specific intersection has about 30,000 cars a day on 71st and 18,000 cars a day passing on Harvard making this totally unsuitable for residential usage. You can verify these numbers at Welcome to INCOG.

I also think your comment that the engineers and contractors here do not know how to build a road that will last is misplaced. We have access to the same technology as any other engineer or contractor. The area from Admiral to I-44 was reconstructed and widened not too long ago, the access from 244 to 169 was widened. Maintenance on the 30 year old portion is needed, but with the majority of funds going into the widening of 44 east of the Arkansas, it isn't surprising. I am glad they are leaving some parts of the urban highway dispersal system alone. You should see what the highways are like in other parts of the country where they are constantly closing roads throughout the summer.

You are correct it was 71st and Harvard.
It was a residential neighborhood long before a bank was allowed to be built there.The property would have been perfect for a large single estate with a wall to be built on it.
May I remind you that the parts of U.S.169 that I mentioned are not even 15 years old yet and have potholes at 31st St. northbound side.The 3 lane expansion was done less than 10 years ago it is already having to be resurfaced. I stand by my comment that they cannot/or will not build a durable road for the long haul here.
I do see roads in other parts of the U.S.and it is pathetic how long it takes to repair an intersection here.
Closing a road is not a bad idea if it is repaired in a timely manner unlike the example listed.
Example: 71st and Elm- Broken Arrow .Some people will be able to retire with the length of time it is taking to reconstruct the intersection.

[OkieDoc]

Texas roads are excellent. Oklahoma roads...well....not so much. Why? There is more to it than the weather.

Oklahoma roads are built to fail so people who profit from road repair will continue to do so. Oklahoma has a corrupt good ole boy system that impedes any progress the state is making, and Tulsa is just a microcosm of this problem.

Texas is to big and to diverse to have AS many issues with this as OK does.

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by OkieDoc

Texas roads are excellent. Oklahoma roads...well....not so much. Why? There is more to it than the weather.

Oklahoma roads are built to fail so people who profit from road repair will continue to do so. Oklahoma has a corrupt good ole boy system that impedes any progress the state is making, and Tulsa is just a microcosm of this problem.

Texas is to big and to diverse to have AS many issues with this as OK does.

Goodness, have you driven on the roads in DFW? They are pretty bad in lots of places, and there is one Governor called Richard Perry that is about as deceitful as they get. He makes promises that he never keeps after he gets elected. I'm not giving Oklahoma a get out of jail free card but I live in Texas and have lived here for close to twenty years and it has its misgivings as well.

[gdblauvelt]

I remember the roads in Tulsa, 20 years ago, and have had recent family visit and they say that they are still bad. But I would trade bad roads for nicer people on the roads anyday. There's just something about someone waving you through an intersection without trying to T-Bone you as you do. Let alone all the other aspects of daily life. I have LOTS of cops in the family, from all over the U.S., and Tulsa has escaped the increase in problems that have multiplied in almost every other state. It may not be perfect but I'll take it... God willing I will soon be able to move back there soon! GOODBYE FLORIDA!!!

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by gdblauvelt

I remember the roads in Tulsa, 20 years ago, and have had recent family visit and they say that they are still bad. But I would trade bad roads for nicer people on the roads anyday. There's just something about someone waving you through an intersection without trying to T-Bone you as you do. Let alone all the other aspects of daily life. I have LOTS of cops in the family, from all over the U.S., and Tulsa has escaped the increase in problems that have multiplied in almost every other state. It may not be perfect but I'll take it... God willing I will soon be able to move back there soon! GOODBYE FLORIDA!!!

I'm with you there gdblauvelt (you need to get an easier to remember name). When are you moving?

[gdblauvelt]

As soon as I can sell my house, so maybe in 100 years or so. As for the name I would love to change my name do know how I could do that...without starting a new account!

[What!]

Ok, here is the thing. I visited friends in Tulsa and they'd always go over to Texas for alcohol. Is it that bad for guys like me who love to drink? I always asked them and they said Oklahoma used to be a dry state, which means it sucks as far as hard alcohol, or alcohol in general goes. Does anyone else in Tulsa agree. Please be honest.