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Old 11-24-2020, 08:56 AM
 
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Most who’ll read the title of this post will scream , IMPOSSIBLE! They will say, “ everybody knows that if a plebiscite was held Statehood would win by a landslide, THATS A FACT! . However a plebiscite statehood - yes or no was just celebrated and statehood won by a mere 52% of the vote. A majority by political standards but not by what congress would accept.

In fact the Pro statehood party , PNP, once a majority party has become one of four MINORITY parties. The parties that have gained the most percentages this year were the MVC and the PIP, both parties representing independence or some form of free association. This might be a fluke for the moment but it also might be the trend of the future.

What happened to the Statehood party?

Because of years of massive corruption, fraud and many of its leaders jailed, people have begun to loose their hope of achieving statehood by this group of crooks. As the older generation begins to kick the bucket, there is a rise of a newer generation that questions the massive dependency on federal funds brought about by the collapse of the economy. This youth movement was seen in full display during the massive demonstration of the summer of 2019. No where was an American flag seen.

The rise of TRUMPISM in the United States has also cooled off any desire for statehood by Republicans, if there ever was one. Republicans know that a Puerto Rican state will be given more representatives than 20 White Republican states, at a time when Whites fear losing political power by the year 2045.

Despite Democrats knowing they’ll have the most to win by admitting the first Hispanic state to the union, their opinions on this issue has been mostly QUIET.

To make a long story short, what I think will eventually happen is that congress will get Puerto Rican politicians together to work out a solution via NEGOCIATIONS. Will statehood be offered ? MMMMMMMM With whites terrified of being swamped by non whites , putting Republicans at the losing end, statehood despite having majorities on the island, will nonetheless be different in Congress.
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Old 11-28-2020, 12:27 AM
 
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To make a long story short, what I think will eventually happen is that congress will get Puerto Rican politicians together to work out a solution via NEGOCIATIONS..
LMAO!!!! Puerto Rican politicians can't agree on anything but you hope they will unite as one and "negotiate" for the U.S. to give up their real estate, give P.R. multi billion dollars payment and create a constitutional crisis?


Why don't you ask for peace in Israel and a unicorn for x-mas. You might get lucky.
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Old 12-02-2020, 08:50 AM
 
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San Juan Star, there are certain problems that have exploded during the Trump years. Race and a rising nationalism among Trump supporters has become a swore thumb which can’t be ignored. Republicans know that their days are numbered as the nation becomes Brown. Roughly 40% of whites remain terrified of becoming a minority by 2045.

In all this mess the idea of a brown state which will have more representation than 20 white states appears on the horizon. If we add Washington D.C. to the mix, whites will go into panic mode.

Nonetheless there might be hope in the horizon. Elections in Puerto Rico this year demonstrated deep losses for the statehood party. The parties with the most advance were those proposing independence and a real autonomy, not the crap we have.

As the older generation begins to kick the bucket, what we’ll see will be more of what we saw during the summer of 2019, an explosion of young folks demanding change. One of the refreshing things that most folks noted was the absence of American flags among the 50,000 demonstrators. Although this little item might not seem like a great deal among Pitiyankis, it sure stood out when seen from the American nationalistic side.
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Old 12-02-2020, 01:46 PM
 
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San Juan Star, there are certain problems that have exploded during the Trump years. Race and a rising nationalism among Trump supporters has become a swore thumb which can’t be ignored. Republicans know that their days are numbered as the nation becomes Brown. Roughly 40% of whites remain terrified of becoming a minority by 2045.

In all this mess the idea of a brown state which will have more representation than 20 white states appears on the horizon. If we add Washington D.C. to the mix, whites will go into panic mode.

Nonetheless there might be hope in the horizon. Elections in Puerto Rico this year demonstrated deep losses for the statehood party. The parties with the most advance were those proposing independence and a real autonomy, not the crap we have.

As the older generation begins to kick the bucket, what we’ll see will be more of what we saw during the summer of 2019, an explosion of young folks demanding change. One of the refreshing things that most folks noted was the absence of American flags among the 50,000 demonstrators. Although this little item might not seem like a great deal among Pitiyankis, it sure stood out when seen from the American nationalistic side.



You are watching too much American sensationalism on tv. Every country has their nationalism. Just start watching the Olympics and Miss Universe for a small taste and it all comes out. Nationalism of putting country first and the American workers first is good and it's done in every country. Identity politics by race within the country to divide within like your arguments it's bad. You have an obsession with white skin people. It's a sin to be born white. You were a minority when you left Puerto Rico or D.R. (Which is it?), Were you "terrified" to be around white people? If Dominicans and Puerto Ricans become the minority in their own country, would they be "terrified" that a massive of foreigners break in their own country and tells them how to be and constantly criticize them in their own country? I don't think "terrified" would be the word. Look how you react with white people and Puerto Rico being a U.S. territory. You don't like it. You want full independence but you expect White Americans to react differently than you. There is a saying in Puerto Rico that says: "El Ladron Juzga por su Condicion"



Why would "brown" people want to live in a 1 party country? You make it sound that "brown" people will vote Democrat no matter what, it's in our DNA to vote Democrat. Many Puerto Ricans left the island because of left wing politics and high taxes, why would you think they will automatically vote Democrat here? I don't know how you vote (well I have an idea) but when I vote , I vote for the policies and how does it affect me personally, not because of the candidate's skin color or what they have between their legs. That's identity politics.


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The parties with the most advance were those proposing independence and a real autonomy, not the crap we have.
Do you believe your own B.S.? The reason Puerto Rico had a low turnout because a large % of the electorate moved to the states because of a 5 level hurricane and a world pandemic back to back. They moved for the economy (jobs) and health services. It has nothing to do that the parties proposing independence made advancements. Carmen Yulin, the biggest independence advocate in political power with the most funds lost a 3 person primary in her own party. She came last in the primary. This wasn't a general election, it was a primary of an incumbent mayor in the capitol of Puerto Rico, San Juan that had unlimited resources and help from the Democrat party in the U.S. and she came dead last in her own party. This is the first time in Puerto Rico's history, that an incumbent loses badly her own primary and comes 3rd place. Even her own party rejects her left wing independence while she spent most of her 8 years of mayor being in the states in American politics and doing her "ME Tour" and getting donations.



It was a low voter turnout across the board. It was bad for the statehood movement but it was worse for the independence movement. If it was the lowest voter turnout in the history of Puerto Rico. Why do you say it was good for the independence movement? so the only way for the independence movement to advance is to drive the lowest voter turnout in history? LOL. More people voted in 1976 in P.R. than 2020. Let that sink in. More people participated in the elections on 1976 than 2020. This is not an advancement for anyone especially for independence. If it takes a 5 level hurricane and a worldwide pandemic to kill people off and force them to leave the island and can't vote for your movement to grow, then it's a sad movement and you live in fantasy land.
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Old 12-06-2020, 10:07 AM
 
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Do I have an obsession with race and white people? No, I’m just looking at what is happening in the United States. It seems that RACE is out in the open like never before. Yes I think this all will pass, things will go back to what they were however........

I don’t believe all white Americans are racists, but there are about 40% that are, and maybe more. I believe those thinking that they will lose political power to growing minorities by 2045 are a group to watch.

That is why I constantly stress that statehood for Puerto Rico has entered difficult times, not in Puerto Rico, but in the U.S.

With Whites thinking that their political power base might be waning by 2045, why would they accelerate this by admitting a non white state, one which they’ll have to give more representatives than 20 white states? On top of that, blacks will then demand Washington D.C. as a payoff. White power in congress, which has been a reality since the founding of the United States , will have to accept the changes or fight tooth and nail to remain white. A Puerto Rican state, which functions culturally as a Latin American nation is certainly not the answer for the growing dilema of White America.
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Old 12-06-2020, 12:54 PM
 
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Where do you get that 40% (or even more, your words) of White America are racists? So almost half of the white people that you met in the U.S. were racists towards you? That's a bold statement that you can't back up. It shows your own disdain towards white people and the U.S. and your identity politics and you are showing a small example what awaits an Independent Puerto Rico with identity politics and left wing socialism and the division and hate it will create with your skin color politics. There is a reason it's rejected by 95% of the people in the island and can't win 1 town out of 78.



According to the census, 76% the U.S. are whites including Hispanic, Latino Whites. If you separate white Latinos/Hispanics, that number drops to 60.1%. That's over 200 million whites in the U.S. I really doubt that you met 40% (or more ) of those 200 million people and looked into their hearts and minds and found that they were racists. Again, it shows more your disdain towards the U.S. and White people.




If you are going to pray for rain, you have to deal with the mud. People wanted many races and massive immigration living all together under a democracy and free speech. Then you will get collisions between the groups here and there and feelings hurt and it's part of the process. You take out the identity politics and the 24/7 sensationalism America media and the U.S. is fine. Better than the rest of the world.

Tell me any other country that accepts massive immigration of all races and minorities can be elected (not appointed) President of the country, served in the highest court of the land, be Governors, Senators, business citizens, have a high % of rich minorities and have the government award them with special status and protections and a long list of government aid? I don't see many blacks returning to Africa or a wave of Latinos returning back to their countries. More Puerto Ricans like yourself (or are you Dominican) live in the U.S. than the island of P.R. itself. Look how they vote with their feet. If the U.S. was 40% (or more your words) racist, then why they come and stay here?

You can't back up your outrages number.

D.C. will never become a state if you bother to read U.S. Civics and the constitution. It doesn't matter how much identity politics you scream until you drop dead. Puerto Rico is another topic way different than D.C..

When was the last black skin governor of P.R. elected by the people in the island? when was the last black skin Puerto Rican served as mayor of the capitol or any main city in the island? When was the last black skin Puerto Rican that served in the P.R. Supreme Court? yeah, NEVER! So why do throw stones at the U.S., when you live in a China glass house and you show your own disdain towards white people?


Let me ask you a legit question, if Puerto Rico experiments with massive immigration of all cultures and all races in your little island under a Democracy and free speech and practice identity politics will all of you behave and keep your opinions toward yourselves and be nice towards one and other? You know the answer to that.


There is a fine line between racism and tribalism. Just look at the Olympics and Miss Universe to see a small taste and Latinos could be as racists and discriminatory as the white Americans you accused and pretend you are morally above that.



"El Ladron juzga por su condicion"

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Old 04-14-2021, 03:35 PM
 
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Once again statehood for Puerto Rico appears to be getting a serious look, or so say Puerto Rican statehooders. However their hopes might be inflated. While it is true that in the last plebiscite statehood got 53%, a majority by democratic standards, nonetheless not enough to sway congress. Hawaii and Alaska voted by 88% to 90%, and still there was congressional opposition.

I’m not saying that statehood can never get those numbers but what we tend to forget is that all admissions to statehood depended on the political Interests that were present at the time. In other words, If statehood for Puerto Rico coincides with century XXI American interests, statehood then is possible.

The strange thing about all this is that no one in favor of Puerto Rican statehood can figure out what’s in it for the United States by granting P.R.statehood. At the present Congress has all it wants with Puerto Rico. Granting statehood will possibly bring more problems than what it solves for the United States.

First of all , The United States has never been confronted with a territory that is more like Quebec or Cataluña than New Mexico or Hawaii. Possibly SCOTUS figured this out in 1900 when it invented NON INCORPORATION. Non incorporated territories were never expected to be states. This was only applied to Puerto Rico and the Philippines, not to Hawaii or Alaska.

Yes, non incorporation can be changed to incorporated status however congress has refused to do it.

Nonetheless, the admittance of Puerto Rico and Washington DC might bring more serious problems, not for the territories in question, but for the Republican Party. Members of the GOP know they are doomed if they don’t cut the voting records. TRUMP basically lost in 2020 by the massive influx of black voters. Georgia has started putting restraints on who can vote. Other GOP controlled states have followed. What I think might be at stake is the gradual disappearance of the white vote, and the growth of non-white majorities. Republicans aim to stop it.

Back to Puerto Rican statehood.

Adding Puerto Rico and Washington DC to the statehood equation will further explode the fear of whites becoming a minority by 2045. As a state Puerto Rico will have more representatives than 20 white states. Some will say, hey, “ not all Puerto Rican’s under statehood will vote democratic”.

However, Puerto Rican’s generally vote statehood for the massive welfare money that the statehood party tells them it’ll bring. It is called THE BONUS OF STATEHOOD. It’s silly to believe that Puerto Rican’s vote for statehood for patriotic reasons or for love of the flag. On the other hand Democrats are seen as the party of food stamps, the party who brings in all the goodies, certainly not Republicans.
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Old 04-14-2021, 06:59 PM
 
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Your questions are wrong and misguided. Most territories that are states today didn't offer much to the U.S.A. Most were broke. The U.S. already own them by being a territory. Explain what did the Mormons in Utah brought to the U.S.A when the U.S. already owned the territory of Utah? Every time the Federal government didn't like how the Mormons were acting in the territory, they sent federal troops to mop the floor with them and get them in line. They could do that because the U.S. owned that territory and everybody in it.

Hawaii was a territory for half a century and the U.S. already had the military bases there (Pre WW 2) , so why make them a state? for cheaper pineapples? the U.S. already owned them and so did Alaska after buying them from Russia.

New Mexico was the same. BROKE since Mexico ignored that territory. You should read the history of the territory of New Mexico, it was full of desert, dirt, Natives and a bunch of poor people. They make Puerto Rico of today look rich. Arizona is similar.

The United States already owns P.R. and they are fully U.S. Citizens which the Supreme Court ruled the U.S. can't take against their will. More Puerto Ricans live in the states than P.R. The United States are stuck for good with Puerto Ricans for over 1 century.

The question is why do you make a U.S. Territory that has 3.3 million U.S. citizens over 1 century into a state? because that is the ultimate culmination of being under the U.S. territory so they can grow within the system and bring the standards to the 50 states. Asking why do they offer it's the wrong question and 123 years too late. The U.S. already owns them and they are here to stay. The question now is what system can they grow into the standards of the 50 states and there is only 1 answer.


It's like adopting a child and the court rules he is your responsibility and you can't give him away against his will. Your question shouldn't be what does this child brings to the family. You already adopted him, it's done, he is part of the family and the return policy expired ages ago. The question is how to give him the best playing field to succeed and treat this child as the others children in the family so they all can grow and be productive to the standards of the 1 family. (in this case under 1 nation)


You are asking the wrong questions and making double standards just for Puerto Rico when the people running this country decided to make P.R. into a U.S. territory with full U.S. citizenship and they can't go back and they won't.
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Old 04-15-2021, 11:12 AM
 
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The reason a territory of the United States wants to be a state is to have sovereignty within their borders while being U.S. citizens under 1 nation. It has NOTHING to do if they can pay taxes or what they bring to the nation. That question is 123 years too late. The 13 colonies were flat broke after war when they formed the country and most 37 territories that are states today were really broke. The territory of New Mexico makes Puerto Rico of today a rich island. So stop with the doubles standards and making things up. The U.S. made a very poor land in the South a state because of slavery. So your questions are just that, unfounded.



Plus, the United States already owned them by being U.S. territories. You don't buy the cow when the milk and barn are free. So saying that it make sense making Hawaii into a state and not Puerto Rico because of the military doesn't know what they are talking about. The United States doesn't need to make a territory into a state to have their military. The U.S. owns Hawaii since 1900 and they decided to have their Pacific Fleet in the territory of Hawaii pre WW 2. So it's obvious that the U.S. didn't need to make Hawaii a state to be there and put up the biggest Armada in the world. They already did that way before they became a state.



You make territories into states because that is the ultimate culmination in the U.S., SOVEREIGNTY within the borders under 1 nation. That's how territories and U.S. citizens can grow. That's why they made 37 territories that most were flat broke into states.


If the U.S. can make an extreme religion of people, who were kicked out Missouri and they were wondering around the dessert in the territory of Utah a state and NONE of you can tell me what they brought to the nation other than temples and multiple wives then I don't want to hear lame reasons not making Puerto Rico into a state.


If Mormons can have their state, Puerto Ricans can finally have theirs. It's long overdue.
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Old 04-15-2021, 11:54 AM
 
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Different from all territories that became states, Puerto Rico was never INCORPORATED. American citizenship was granted by a congressional law in 1917 and its not considered a full constitutional citizenship unless one moves to the mainland. That is why Puerto Rican’s can’t vote for the people who really rule them.

Making Puerto Rico INCORPORATED gives Puerto Rico the right to become a state. However in its 121 years of inventing non incorporation , congress has never thought of incorporating either Puerto Rico or Guam.

Of course it can be done! but..........there is another problem. If Puerto Rico were given a chance to become a state, because of its population numbers, they will have to give the new state more representatives than 20 white states. I’m using white because race has become a center piece of politics since Trump became president. Don’t believe me? Does January 6 ring a bell ?

It is a fact that Whites will loose political numerical power by the year 2045. Adding Puerto Rico and Washington D.C. will seal minority democratic political power till who knows when.

The GOP already sees the writing on the wall. It is fighting tooth and nail to cut voting rolls, rolls that seem to be directed at minority voters.

Although I believe minorities will eventually get the upper hand, however thinking that white political power will end is another story. Power is never given up once it’s held for centuries. Whites will fight tooth and nail to keep it.

Nonetheless Washington D.C. might get statehood. Becoming a state does not threaten white political power in congress. Puerto Rico is another story. I foresee There will be NEGOTIATIONS to get rid of Puerto Rico and possibly Guam. Statehood for Puerto Rico doesn’t seem to be an option for those wanting to keep White Power in Washington. Don’t believe me ? ask Mitch McConnell.
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