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Reading over some of the threads here, I've been reminded of a theory to explain high strangeness which has gone in and out of vogue over the years. The theory I want to write about is the Trans Dimensional (Inter Dimensional) Theory. It's the idea that U.F.O.'s rather than being extra-terrestrial, are of the earth as much as we are. We can also add all the "monster" sightings, Bigfoot, Loch Ness monster, ...even fairies. The idea being that they come from the same source....whatever that source may be.. The difference being that "they" can pass back and forth between dimensions and interact with us on occasion. Proponents of this theory such as John A. Keel ( Mothman Prophecies), and Dr. Jacques Vallee ( Passport to Magonia ), believe that UFOs and other high strangeness encounters are a current manifestation of a phenomenon that has occurred throughout history. Keel went further, occasionally suggesting that all of this was a study in Demonology in general.
Could UFO's and all the rest simply be a natural part of the world that we simply don't understand. Could ghosts be lumped in with all the rest? Demons? Bigfoot? It would explain a few things ( the lack of Bigfoot corpses for one ). Understandably this is one of those "out there" theories that some just can't buy. However for many people who have had a sighting of a creature that can't be explained, or seeing a odd shaped craft in the sky that seems to not conform to our idea of physics, this is at least one theory that can be considered as a possible explanation. What do you think? Is this a possibility? Or is it just too out there to be taken seriously?
In other posts, this is precisely what I've stated I believe. I also believe that time and space don't flow linearly and that is why we see "hauntings' of perhaps battles fought centuries ago. It's tough to get our minds around because we haven't been educated to think this way but it's great material for contemplation.
UFO stuff is mostly astral projection where the person doesn't know they are projecting or somewhat of a bleed over effect from other dimensions. That being said, I believe there are lifeforms that are advanced enough to bend "time/space" and literally enter our universe from theirs. Beings that advanced though have systems and customs that are beyond our understanding because of our current state of evolution. They usually will speak through telepathy, for example, which makes lying impossible and misunderstandings a thing of the past.
Most "abductions" are astral projections. Period. When most unaccustomed people project they enter an area called the "real time zone", which is a mind overlay of the area they went to sleep in. As they project more often and their mind becomes more used to it, they will start having projections into the next area of consciousness, which is anything their imagination comes up with. This is where you get a lot of stuff where people have images of being brought into a craft and having inane things done like needles in their eyes or anal exams. If you truly believe beings that can bend time/space and travel millions of light years just to probe your butt hole you're not really examining the entire picture and thinking clearly. This is simply myth & science fiction entering people's imaginations and taking shape. If you watch horror movies don't be surprised when the "boogey man" tries to get you in your dreams.
The majority of people who project and don't know how to recover dream/shadow/projection memories effectively often need dream regression therapy to remember. Once they remember they almost always make the mistake of thinking it was real. This is also the case with past lives or reincarnation but that is usually a case of the person not knowing how to interpret other experiences that their higher self or oversoul has been through. Its mostly a problem of human limitations to comprehend what we really are. Part of the game of taking on a physical vessel is forgetting. Learning to remember is not easy.
I do think the supernatural is just nature we don't understand and interpret (probably wrongly) though our cultural lenses. I think even more of it isn't "supernatural" at all but is really just going on in our heads.
If you read pre-20th century claims about fairies, they sound an awful lot like today's alien abductions... complete with bright lights, floating out of your bed to "faerie land" forced sexual arousals, hybrid human-faerie children and faerie infiltration into the normal world to name a few correlations!
Some will argue the aliens have been working on the "alien agenda" for a LONG time, but if that's true they must really suck at doing what they're doing to have to do the same things over and over again over centuries.
What's that Einstein quote about doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results? Not the behavior you'd expect from an extraterrestrial civilization smart enough to build flying saucers and head off across the cosmos...
So I think alien abductions and especially "Greys" are today's "faeries"... the right kind of mental monster for our own time and culture, just like faeries were suitable for an earlier time.
This also goes along with the fact there is absolutely no strong evidence for alien abductions beyond witness testimony that is mostly acquired from hypnotism (which can be very compelling, especially when the witness truly believes it really happened... but that still doesn't make it real).
On the other hand, there is good evidence for UFOs themselves... but that doesn't mean UFOs come from outer space either...
Absolutely Chango, it can be anything that someone thinks of such as myths, superstitions, and popular culture like movies or books. Throughout different cultures at different times it was always something.
This also goes along with the fact there is absolutely no strong evidence for alien abductions beyond witness testimony that is mostly acquired from hypnotism (which can be very compelling, especially when the witness truly believes it really happened... but that still doesn't make it real).
I dont think anyone really knows what is 'real'.
Science tries to tell us that reality is what is here in 3d but when it all comes down to it, we are all interpreting the environment through our senses and making up our 'reality' through learned models from childhood.
Isn't our reality the way we interpret these electrical and chemical signals received by our brain? If so, what is reality? It must be different for each person and therefore absolutely not repeatable for science because it is a learned interpretation of external stimuli on our senses.
Science tries to tell us that reality is what is here in 3d but when it all comes down to it, we are all interpreting the environment through our senses and making up our 'reality' through learned models from childhood.
Isn't our reality the way we interpret these electrical and chemical signals received by our brain? If so, what is reality? It must be different for each person and therefore absolutely not repeatable for science because it is a learned interpretation of external stimuli on our senses.
All true... but there is no way around it, since there is no way to take the observer (the human being and his biological brain) out of the equation. So we only have a couple of choices... rational thought, irrational thought or just not asking any questions.
Also, there are many, many things in the human experience that are clearly "not real" and we don't want to accept everything we come across at "face value", unless we want to end up in a bad place...figuratively AND literally.
Science uses an excellent set of rules and methodology to "keep it real" but necessarily must "shut off" to things which cannot function within the methodology to stay valid and will inevitably miss everything there is to know because it.
That doesn't mean Science is "wrong" or defective, just that it has limits.
Nor is science useless for answering supernatural related questions. For example, we know the requirement for a natural environment to support and sustain large aquatic creatures, plus what it takes for such creatures to reproduce, evolve (or stay the same) over millions of years... so we can accurately say Loch Ness doesn't meet the criteria and most likely does not have Plesiosaurs living in it.
The point is this... it is stupid to think we know everything because of science... but it is also stupid to not use science because it it works so well to learn/understand a vast number of things!
OK, I take your point that science can be useful - if only to give some kind of framework from which to launch an investigation. Unfortunately, these days there are not many scientists who will investigate something without being paid for their time.
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so we can accurately say Loch Ness doesn't meet the criteria and most likely does not have Plesiosaurs living in it.
Yet bigfoot for example has been around for probably as long as man has and we still have not pinned this one down. There is fairly good evidence that they exist but no-one (scientists I mean) has bothered to investigate this important unexplained issue which could lead to all kinds of interesting discoveries from a new species to possible other-world/dimension issues. Loch Ness is deep and murky with peat, which makes it difficult to determine anything there. There have been scientific expeditions but not for long enough to determine if anything is actually living in the area. Also it is a large loch too which means there is a lot of coastline to be covered. The locals do have stories however, and they should know if these involve unknown creatures of merely floating pieces of wood or sea otters in the loch. As with all these things there are some people who dont want to move into the spotlight and some people who are only too happy to tell a good story with embellishments.
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Why would you lump Bigfoot/Nessie with demons, ghosts.etc? Or UFO's for that matter? Demons, ghosts are supernatural - they might be unexplained scientific phenomena but they are beyond the understanding of science - whereas Bigfoot and Nessie are unknown to science but certainly not supernatural.
Why would you lump Bigfoot/Nessie with demons, ghosts.etc? Or UFO's for that matter? Demons, ghosts are supernatural - they might be unexplained scientific phenomena but they are beyond the understanding of science - whereas Bigfoot and Nessie are unknown to science but certainly not supernatural.
Except for when bigfoot disappears in plain sight like a ghost... or boards a UFO and/or was seen in conjunction with a UFO as has been reported multiple times.
Or when Aliens walk through the wall to get an abductee, use telepathy and levitate... or even if a ghost alien haunts a spot as is alleged in a town in Montana.
Or how about Nessie Fever taking off just a couple years after Aleister Crowly attempted and failed to complete an uber-evil week-long demon summoning ceremony at Loch Ness... and despite multiple sightings, nobody has found any trace of a physical animal. Maybe he called "it" there as a thought-form?
Confused yet? I sure as hell am! That's what makes this kind of stuff fun!
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