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View Poll Results: Will the UK disintegrate?
Yes 158 33.47%
No 314 66.53%
Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-29-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: England
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I was about to post the same

You don't get benefits in most countries in Europe until you have contributed into the system for years.

You don't get treatment in hospitals unless you provide identification and proof of social security contributions unless you are a visiting European and have a valid EHIC card, I bet Dave's got his ready and packed for his holidays

Pretty much every gripe people have here with the EU are really the UK's own internal issues that have nothing at all to do with the EU at all.
We have problems in our hospitals with staff afraid of inquiring who is entitled to NHS help, and who isn't. They get very loud and demanding, with those who say they can't speak English, provided with interpreters. All at public expense of course. They know how to play the system.

I was told by an airport worker that just a short while ago that day, a foreigner had got off a plane, and thrown herself to the ground, demanding to be taken to a hospital. This is what we're dealing with. Foreigners deciding we are the world's health service. We need politicians who back up our front line staff, and stop this abuse. Right now, we haven't got it. We need to regain control of our borders, and end EU laws, and make some of our own.

Many people in this country are fed up of hearing about foreigners rights to a family life, and being allowed to stay after knocking out a child or two, even after committing serious crimes. Same with EU citizens who are out of work for a certain amount of time like six months, and claiming benefits. OUT!! We are not a charity for the world.

A wind of change is blowing through this country. It was good enough for Africa in the 60s, so it's good enough for us now.
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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We have problems in our hospitals with staff afraid of inquiring who is entitled to NHS help, and who isn't. They get very loud and demanding, with those who say they can't speak English, provided with interpreters. All at public expense of course. They know how to play the system.

I was told by an airport worker that just a short while ago that day, a foreigner had got off a plane, and thrown herself to the ground, demanding to be taken to a hospital. This is what we're dealing with. Foreigners deciding we are the world's health service. We need politicians who back up our front line staff, and stop this abuse. Right now, we haven't got it. We need to regain control of our borders, and end EU laws, and make some of our own.

Many people in this country are fed up of hearing about foreigners rights to a family life, and being allowed to stay after knocking out a child or two, even after committing serious crimes. Same with EU citizens who are out of work for a certain amount of time like six months, and claiming benefits. OUT!! We are not a charity for the world.

A wind of change is blowing through this country. It was good enough for Africa in the 60s, so it's good enough for us now.
Like MnM258 said other countries in Europe deal with the same things but don't take the same crap.

None of these issues are at the EUs door, they are internal issue's that need resolving at UK level.

Brexit wont fix any of them, you'll just have less money to hand out in benefits.

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Old 08-29-2019, 08:07 AM
 
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We have problems in our hospitals with staff afraid of inquiring who is entitled to NHS help, and who isn't. They get very loud and demanding, with those who say they can't speak English, provided with interpreters. All at public expense of course. They know how to play the system.

I was told by an airport worker that just a short while ago that day, a foreigner had got off a plane, and thrown herself to the ground, demanding to be taken to a hospital. This is what we're dealing with. Foreigners deciding we are the world's health service. We need politicians who back up our front line staff, and stop this abuse. Right now, we haven't got it. We need to regain control of our borders, and end EU laws, and make some of our own.

Many people in this country are fed up of hearing about foreigners rights to a family life, and being allowed to stay after knocking out a child or two, even after committing serious crimes. Same with EU citizens who are out of work for a certain amount of time like six months, and claiming benefits. OUT!! We are not a charity for the world.

A wind of change is blowing through this country. It was good enough for Africa in the 60s, so it's good enough for us now.
But again, you don't explain why any of that is unique to the UK or how come it is that other EU countries seem to be able to deal with those issues without having a tantrum and quitting?
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:14 AM
 
Location: England
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But again, you don't explain why any of that is unique to the UK or how come it is that other EU countries seem to be able to deal with those issues without having a tantrum and quitting?
Seems Italy is getting pretty fed up. How many migrants Hungary taking again? The cracks are showing.

How long before France suffers another racist slaughter. Or us?

How long before all those migrants from the middle east get handed passports by the Germans? Seems folks from that part of the world are willing to cross the channel illegally by boat. How many will come holding an EU passport by plane down the line?

We have had enough of it. Whatever damage is done to the economy will be worth it. We have to take a deep breath, slow immigration to a trickle, and then figure out a way forward concerning housing for our people, not the world's.
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:20 AM
 
Location: East Midlands, UK
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But again, you don't explain why any of that is unique to the UK or how come it is that other EU countries seem to be able to deal with those issues without having a tantrum and quitting?
Why are you even arguing with Brexquitters? I just block them. They're lost causes.
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:32 AM
 
Location: England
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Why are you even arguing with Brexquitters? I just block them. They're lost causes.
Grow up. You come across like a petulant child. I thought you were going marching against Boris? Put your phone down if you can, and off you go.

You've got nothing to add to this conversation, except stupid childish nicknames for folks who have had enough of endless immigration.
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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Grow up. You come across like a petulant child. I thought you were going marching against Boris? Put your phone down if you can, and off you go.

You've got nothing to add to this conversation, except stupid childish nicknames for folks who have had enough of endless immigration.
Now that's truculent
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:47 AM
 
Location: England
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Now that's truculent
It's a good word isn't it?........
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Old 08-29-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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Indeed.

" ... immersing poultry meat in chlorine dioxide solution of the strength used in the United States reduces prevalence of salmonella from 14% in controls to 2%. EU chicken samples typically have 15-20% salmonella.

It actually makes it safer to eat than European chicken.
This is interesting.
That 2nd line is not in the report the author linked to in her article.
Article is here: https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/food-saf...555618.article

She appears to be quoting from a PDF: https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...ed+Chicken.pdf

"If chlorination were so ineffective, then one would expect foodborne illnesses carried by chicken to be much more prevalent in the US, and nearby countries, like
Canada, which also use PRTs to disinfect poultry. However, WHO figures reveal
that salmonella and campylobacter infections in North American countries are not
out of line with their European counterparts.

Guidance published by the Codex Alimentarius Commission, the body which sets
international food standards, states that immersing carcasses in a chlorine dioxide
solution of the strength used in the US has been shown to reduce salmonella prevalence from 14% in controls to 2%."


But that 2nd sentence isn't in the PDF.
I think an email to the author of the article is in order.
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Old 08-29-2019, 10:52 AM
 
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The issue with chlorine washing is not that it is harmful per se, (they put chlorine, and fluoride in municipal drinking water), rather that it may serve, may being the operative word, to disguise other unsafe practices.

There's actually not a great deal of difference between US/EU nutrition labeling standards. Been mandatory in the US for a lot longer, and US is arguably easier to understand, for Brits at least, because EU needs a multi language capable format.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...th-food-safety

US label:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrit...ct_Label_2.svg

UK/EU label
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrit...el-Yoghurt.png
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