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Excuse me, Miz or Mr Frog........ your quote above puzzles me. As far as I can see, all this way distant in England, the reason BLM exists, is because black people are dying at the hands of American police in large numbers.
As they are not dying here in large numbers, why should we need such a movement?
Excuse me, Miz or Mr Frog........ your quote above puzzles me. As far as I can see, all this way distant in England, the reason BLM exists, is because black people are dying at the hands of American police in large numbers.
As they are not dying here in large numbers, why should we need such a movement?
To increase racism of course and create confrontations.
As far as I can see, all this way distant in England, the reason BLM exists, is because black people are dying at the hands of American police in large numbers.
And the vast majority of them (about 95%) were armed with guns, knives or other weapons and were either in the process of attacking, or threatening to attack, officers and/or members of the public. Almost twice as many whites are killed as blacks. There's certainly a demographic disparity, but it comes down to the fact that whites aren't as likely to be involved in gangs, etc.
I'm an American so I have no say in what happens in the UK, but it doesn't appear to me that there is a big problem with police violence agains blacks in the UK. The fact that they had to reach back 5 years to find a figurehead for their movement, and that he was a gang member, speaks volumes.
What about Stephen Lawrence? British police aren't completely blameless.
And what do you think sparked the North London riots 5 years ago? Mmmm? It was the killing of a black dude in police custody.
So.....
The police did not kill Stephen Lawrence or even involved it was a race attack by 5 white blokes.
The London riots started because of a black bloke getting shot by police in Tottenham..... From what I can remember it wasn't a race attack but pure coincidence that he was black...... But the people around it called it a race attack
What about Stephen Lawrence? British police aren't completely blameless.
And what do you think sparked the North London riots 5 years ago? Mmmm? It was the killing of a black dude in police custody.
So.....
Stephen Lawrence was killed by a group of young white men 23 years ago, not by the police. Their investigation was a poor one, and for years after, they were dragged over the coals for this. It was not swept under the carpet.
The riots of five years ago, did follow the shooting by police of a black man. He had a history of violence, and it has been proved he bought a gun a few days before his death.
Don't you think you are struggling with reasons why a BLM movement would be needed in the UK? The police in this country are mainly unarmed, and the one's that are, have to have a damn good reason to shoot anyone. All such deaths are closely investigated.
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And the vast majority of them (about 95%) were armed with guns, knives or other weapons and were either in the process of attacking, or threatening to attack, officers and/or members of the public. Almost twice as many whites are killed as blacks. There's certainly a demographic disparity, but it comes down to the fact that whites aren't as likely to be involved in gangs, etc.
I'm an American so I have no say in what happens in the UK, but it doesn't appear to me that there is a big problem with police violence agains blacks in the UK. The fact that they had to reach back 5 years to find a figurehead for their movement, and that he was a gang member, speaks volumes.
The British Police and other police forces deal with people armed with various weapons on a daily basis whether it be knives or indeed guns, to suggest otherwise would be nonsense.
The US Police have even been to the UK in recent years to learn how to resolve situations without the use of firearms.
The British Police and other police forces deal with people armed with various weapons on a daily basis whether it be knives or indeed guns, to suggest otherwise would be nonsense.
Of course they do, but they are separated by several orders of magnitude. American police offers arrest literally hundreds of thousands of armed criminals every year, and nearly every week an American cop is shot and killed. It's absolutely an apples and oranges comparison.
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The US Police have even been to the UK in recent years to learn how to resolve situations without the use of firearms.
I believe it was only a handful of officers from a single police department. Call me cynical, but my gut tells me it was probably a bunch of high-ranking officers enjoying a UK vacation on the taxpayer's dime.
Last week the (U.S.) BLM movement released their official platform and it reads like a hardcore leftist's/socialist's wet dream: billions in reparations, free university education for blacks, the release of all blacks in jail for drugs and prostitution and the expungement of their criminal records, reduction in military spending, divestment in Israel and the end of fossil fuels.
The BLM arrived in Vancouver just before PRIDE. Up to that point, the only BLM action that I heard of in Canada was when they stopped the PRIDE parade in Toronto. They had been invited as honorary guests, but stopped the parade because they didn't want the police in the parade.
They forced an organizer to sign some document before letting the parade continue. The document was meaningless since the organizer signed under duress.
I suppose they got their point across anyway but it left many wondering if that was the best way to address their issues.
Yes there are issue regarding racist police in Toronto, but forcing your allies to sign things and interrupting an event that you were invited to just seemed odd.
On to Vancouver. We don't have a large black population. Even smaller gay black population. One of BLM complaints was the their weren't enough black people in the parade. Did they want us to bring them in? Then they started quoting the number of deaths of black people by police. This is when locals started to realize that perhaps BLM hadn't a clue what country they were in since they were quoting US numbers. They again threatened to interrupt the parade if the police participated, but were happy to have the police act as security for the parade and have one police officer on a float with other city services personnel.
The police had discussions with the group but were not backing down on participating. The overall feeling in Vancouver was that they police should march. The gay community had spent over 40 years or more building a solid relationship with the police.
One of the grand marshals, a new Syrian refugee, who had horrible experiences with the police back in Syria, wrote a piece about the issue concerning BLM.
His piece summed up most peoples feelings and that was, that the VPD weren't the Syrian police or any other force.
The parade went on, with several police forces getting huge cheers from the crowd, and BLM decided not to march.
I am not against people bring awareness to a serious issue like police violence against blacks, but I also am for building bridges, not demanding police don't participate.
An American friend told me in some cities in the US, BLM marched with the police. This is would of been totally acceptable to us here in Vancouver, even though people here don't see it as a Vancouver issue.
BLM must be having growing pains, and I'm not sure what control they have over statements of their leaders, but in Vancouver when the leader said things like she " felt unsafe every time she left her home ", people rolled their eyes and she lost credibility.
This is Vancouver for pete's sake.
Of course they do, but they are separated by several orders of magnitude. American police offers arrest literally hundreds of thousands of armed criminals every year, and nearly every week an American cop is shot and killed. It's absolutely an apples and oranges comparison.
I believe it was only a handful of officers from a single police department. Call me cynical, but my gut tells me it was probably a bunch of high-ranking officers enjoying a UK vacation on the taxpayer's dime.
Last week the (U.S.) BLM movement released their official platform and it reads like a hardcore leftist's/socialist's wet dream: billions in reparations, free university education for blacks, the release of all blacks in jail for drugs and prostitution and the expungement of their criminal records, reduction in military spending, divestment in Israel and the end of fossil fuels.
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Of course they do, but they are separated by several orders of magnitude. American police offers arrest literally hundreds of thousands of armed criminals every year, and nearly every week an American cop is shot and killed. It's absolutely an apples and oranges comparison.
Many US Police Forces employ something called the 21 foot rule, whereby if anyone has a weapon including a knife and is within 21 feet, which is deemed the necessary time to distance to stop them then they can shoot. The US Police have also been involved in a lot of controversial shootings, hence the creation of groups such as BLM.
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I believe it was only a handful of officers from a single police department. Call me cynical, but my gut tells me it was probably a bunch of high-ranking officers enjoying a UK vacation on the taxpayer's dime.
It was an educational trip to demonstrate how police in cities such as Glasgow deal with offenders by using very different techniques.
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Last week the (U.S.) BLM movement released their official platform and it reads like a hardcore leftist's/socialist's wet dream: billions in reparations, free university education for blacks, the release of all blacks in jail for drugs and prostitution and the expungement of their criminal records, reduction in military spending, divestment in Israel and the end of fossil fuels.
The BLM are merely a protest group, and by widening their demands they merely weaken their cause. They should really just stick to the remit of trying to reduce shootings and injustices rather than become embroiled in left wing politics.
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