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Old 01-31-2017, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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But it's now arranged, what benefit would there be to cancelling it? It would be tantamount to sticking two fingers up to our most important ally at a time when we desperately need to protect our relationships. Trump has expressed a desire to be a very strong partner for the UK, both economically and diplomatically. We would be foolish to squander this opportunity.
No date has been set, and it could certainly be delayed until next year or even reviewed.

There is no need to rush in to Official State Visits with Royal receptions the Queen's Guard and Household Cavalry, Horse Drawn Carriages and all that pomp and pageantry, along with lavish parades and Royal Banquets etc.

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Buckingham Palace express concern that The Queen is being dragged into the Trump State Visit row

Buckingham Palace has privately expressed concern with Downing Street that The Queen is inadvertently being dragged into the Donald Trump State Visit controversy.

According to The Times, the Palace are unhappy that Her Majesty has been put into a politically explosive situation following the heavy controversy that has arisen.

The news comes after Downing Street sais that the Prime Minister didn’t invite Donald Trump on a State Visit, but senior Buckingham Palace officials did so.

The invitation was suggested by the Foreign Office Committee, of which the Private Secretaries to The Queen, Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge take part in.

Despite the claims by Number 10, as a Constitutional Monarch, only the Prime Minister can approve an invitation for a State Visit to take place in Her Majesty’s name.

After Number 10 tried to shift the blame to the Palace, Whitehall sources said that senior members of the government officials were also on the committee.

Speaking to The Times, former head of the Foreign Office, Lord Rickets, said that The Queen is in a “very difficult position” and that the State Visit should be cancelled to avoid dragging Her Majesty further into the saga.

The former Permanent Secretary said: “It would have been far wiser to wait to see what sort of President he would turn out to be before advising The Queen to invite him. Now The Queen is put in a very difficult position.”

Buckingham Palace express concern that The Queen is being dragged into the Trump State Visit row – Royal Central


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Old 01-31-2017, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
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...and there's always the remotest hope Trump could be driven out of Office before any State Visit
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:08 AM
 
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...and there's always the remotest hope Trump could be driven out of Office before any State Visit
How?
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:15 AM
 
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Reagan had a full state visit with the Queen, and Bill Clinton made several high profile visits, meeting the Queen, addressing Parliament, etc.

Just look at at the list of State Visits received by the Queen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...n_Elizabeth_II

There's some very questionable regimes on that list.

And look at some of the individuals who've received the honour:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sial-tradition

It reads like the line-up of a UN human rights trial.
Yes, but why does Donald's visit have to be so early in his Presidency? Why not in a few years, after things have settled down?
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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...and there's always the remotest hope Trump could be driven out of Office before any State Visit


In what alternate universe do you refer?
There is no mechanism to "drive Trump out of office".


I have to seriously wonder where people come up with these notions, then even print them in public.


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I don't get all the uproar of president Trump across the pond.

He has been in office what, one week, and people have formed opinions about him without any sense of what type of a leader he will be.
Granted he can be brash and not PC, but some great leaders have been that way, not to mention Winston Churchill.
Now before someone is tempted to say "he is no Churchill", I am not comparing the two, as he was a proven great leader, and Trump thus far is a blank canvas.

The point being that speaking ones mind, even if it is not PC, should not have people in such an uproar. As the OP said, the USA is the UK's biggest ally, and whatever courtesy and protocol extended to any foreign leader should be afforded to Trump as well.
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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Here's the Official list of Inward State Visits and not some Wiki List

View Inward State Visits since 1952

No mention of Reagan or Clinton.

Furthemore it's unprecdented for a US President to have a formal state visit in their first year in the White House, let alone such a controversial President.

I don't think Full State Visits should be given to a lot of individuals, and this also applies to Trump at the present time.
He has been to the UK several times and so has his wife.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYuLgdjJHdU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOzwtFJMqiU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeBbO6JohK4
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:22 AM
 
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In what alternate universe do you refer?
There is no mechanism to "drive Trump out of office".


I have to seriously wonder where people come up with these notions, then even print them in public.



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I don't get all the uproar of president Trump across the pond.

He has been in office what, one week, and people have formed opinions about him without any sense of what type of a leader he will be.
Granted he can be brash and not PC, but some great leaders have been that way, not to mention Winston Churchill.
Now before someone is tempted to say "he is no Churchill", I am not comparing the two, as he was a proven great leader, and Trump thus far is a blank canvas.

The point being that speaking ones mind, even if it is not PC, should not have people in such an uproar. As the OP said, the USA is the UK's biggest ally, and whatever courtesy and protocol extended to any foreign leader should be afforded to Trump as well.

Impeachment, is not beyond the realms of possibility.
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:22 AM
 
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Yes, but why does Donald's visit have to be so early in his Presidency? Why not in a few years, after things have settled down?
He made Teresa May his first foreign visitor, he has spoken very highly of the UK, and he wants to sign a major trade deal with the UK in the near future, since he's rolling out the pleasantries early, why can't we?
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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Impeachment, is not beyond the realms of possibility.
In which case Mike Pence takes over. Be careful what you wish for.
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:29 AM
 
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He has been to the UK several times and so has his wife.
A visit is different to an Official State Visit.

State Visits | The Royal Family - The British Monarchy

An Official State Visit

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