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Old 02-08-2018, 03:09 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Which is why the UK probably should not have left the EU.

THe UK could always join the US.
I don't get your 'logic'?? The UK should have stayed with the EU so that it could be ruled from Brussels? As apposed to making its own laws? Why would we want to join the US? We have (I believe) a good friendship/relationship with the US (and other Anglo nations) what is wrong with that? Is it a problem if we strive to have the best relationships possible with all other nations of the world as well as with our Anglo 'cousin' nations?

 
Old 02-08-2018, 06:09 AM
 
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Which is why the UK probably should not have left the EU.

THe UK could always join the US.
What is it with people?

Seems like they think if you're not part of some uber-massive kludge of countries dictating how you govern yourself (and yes I include the US, because there's the West Coast, East Coast, Midwest, South East who have distinctly different cultures and manner) you're screwed. Sadly Singapore, South Korea, Japan, and even Iceland didn't get the memo, and are doing very well for themselves. Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. The bigger the group the higher chance of behaving insanely, just look at US politics, or the EU parliament for proof just ask Nietzsche. Plenty insanity already in UK politics, don't need to import that too.

What would be the purpose of removing rule by Brussels only to gain rule by DC? Or rule by any capital than London. That's pretty insane too.
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:33 PM
 
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I don't get your 'logic'?? The UK should have stayed with the EU so that it could be ruled from Brussels? As apposed to making its own laws? Why would we want to join the US? We have (I believe) a good friendship/relationship with the US (and other Anglo nations) what is wrong with that? Is it a problem if we strive to have the best relationships possible with all other nations of the world as well as with our Anglo 'cousin' nations?
The UK should have stayed in the EU to rule Brussels. British policy used to be make the world the England. It should now be make the EU the UK except for italian and french cuisine.

The EU should have comprised on migration with UK. Merkel was stupid. The french can not lead and no one trusts the Germans. the US is distracted with Trump in office although it makes europe realize how important NATO is in the face of russian aggression. The EU should have put money in the English rustbelt instead of just scotland and northern Ireland. The english rustbelt needed that money the money since they were hit by the rape of china deindustrializing the area.
 
Old 02-12-2018, 08:13 PM
 
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The english rustbelt needed that money the money since they were hit by the rape of china deindustrializing the area.
Where do you get this stuff? Do you find British Fantasy History books in boxes of Crackerjacks?

On the point Quoted. If China means Margaret Thatcher and the 80s Tories, you'd be more right. The deindustrialization of the Midlands (there is no English [sp.] rustbelt) ultimately came at the hands of Thatcher and the Tories, that said unions inflated costs that led to UK manufacturing being more expensive than foreign, and quality fell too. So even by the time the tories got hold of it, it was like the beaten equine. Quality nailed British Car manufacturing (see British Leyland cars of the time, and Jaguars too they were intermittently functional rust buckets) and price killed the steel industry.

China by the time it was all over still was looking like a hibernating panda in the global market and with foreign diplomacy.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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The UK should have stayed in the EU to rule Brussels. British policy used to be make the world the England. It should now be make the EU the UK except for italian and french cuisine.

The EU should have comprised on migration with UK. Merkel was stupid. The french can not lead and no one trusts the Germans. the US is distracted with Trump in office although it makes europe realize how important NATO is in the face of russian aggression. The EU should have put money in the English rustbelt instead of just scotland and northern Ireland. The english rustbelt needed that money the money since they were hit by the rape of china deindustrializing the area.
What ARE you talking about!??
 
Old 02-13-2018, 03:14 PM
 
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FDR did a lot to hasten the break up of the British Empire. kind of bankrupted the situation with lend lease and Britain going it alone.
 
Old 02-14-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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FDR did a lot to hasten the break up of the British Empire. kind of bankrupted the situation with lend lease and Britain going it alone.
The British Empire was going to end whatever happened, Empire is so 1800's and is simply not justifiable in the 21st Century. The world is a very different place now to what it was 150 years ago.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 05:39 PM
 
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It depends on your 'agenda' and how much of a lunatic you are. It certainly means that countries with nuclear warheads have the power to defend themselves against 'any' foe, in my book that's a 'superpower', lets all be thankful that the superpowers (those with nuclear warhead capabilities) are all pretty 'benign' countries NOT hell bent on 'invade and conquer' (N. Korea on the other hand....).
That is one of the silliest things I have ever heard. You really think Britain, Russia, France, the US, China, are 'benign' countries with no inclination to invade others? What about all the countries they, you know, have invaded?

NK does absolutely awful things to its own people and has also been responsible for some terrorist atrocities, but it has a very limited record of invading other countries in comparison to most of the official nuclear powers.
 
Old 02-16-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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That's in general a very sweet an naive attitude to empire on this thread.

Britain stopped being an empire in a formal sense presumably both because it couldn't afford it, and because it couldn't manage the hypocrisy of its position forever.

But if the US is a 'stealth' empire, then so are many European powers (albeit lesser ones). An empire is when a country uses its military and economic strength to command access to resources and markets outside its borders. We certainly haven't stopped doing that.
 
Old 02-17-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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Empire may be so 1800s, but there is an alternative version of dominance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism
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