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Maybe they are attracted to the Italian concept of "bar", which are pretty much neighborhood cafes. No music, opens early, caters to people of every age, drinks might be available, but nobody in their right mind goes there for more than 2 glasses.
I'm sure.
Any more excuses, anyone, about this bar?
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Because most cul-de-sac/meander street layouts replace proximity with separateness. That you are proximate to the community park/pool probably means many other residents aren't (the family across your backyard fence, for instance, unless you let them cut across your property).
Except for the patrons pissing in your front yard and ****ing on the trunk (boot) or hood (bonnet) of your car there's really no downside.
Street parking directly in front of a bar is a bad idea. An open spot might seem too good to be true, and it is. Don't take it. You'll end up with poop on your trunk
Telling an obese person what to eat and how to exercise isn't a problem. That obese person still has the free will to live his life and disregard any suggestions he may receive, just like how you have the freedom to live in a suburb.
In London, the neighborhood pub is cherished and protected. There are planning laws that restrict in their conversion into other uses. Plus, there is the Agent of Change law that stipulates that if a pub, bar, or music venue exists in the area first, any new residential development must be responsible for providing soundproofing. This will prevent residents from moving into a hip area that is conducive to noise, then they start complaining about noise, which will eventually shut those establishments down. Believe it or not, it's actually the Conservative Party that legislated those laws.
And pubs are all over the UK -- in cities, villages, even in rural places (although US-style suburbs are rare in the UK). Every neighborhood in London has a local pub or two. Have I mentioned that London is a city of 1,400+ villages? If not, please visit my other post to learn more about London's villages. In most of these villages, there is a local pub that people can go to drink and socialise. Every Londoner has a "local" that they go to frequently. Kids can come in as well with their parents; after all, a pub basically stands for "public house". Some pubs have quiz nights where you can win cash if you're great at trivia. Some have board games you can borrow. Some have specialised in craft beers, while some specialise in gourmet dining (gastropubs).
Here is a typical scene in London after work. The pubs are overflowing with office workers after a day's work. It must be a hotbed of crime as you claim (regardless of what we may think of bankers). Sure, they might be more prone to insider trading when drunk, but is that enough to close these down? Peter Rees, the former city planner for the City of London, said it best when he said that it is usually in those environments where business relationships are forged. And that is also the beauty of living in London -- even these wealthy bankers do not drive, so we can all be sure that none of them will end up drinking and driving.
Or what about this picture? Only a Puritan from America would consider them criminals. I'd rather have these good people carry a pint of beer than a gun. And yes, it is perfectly legal to drink outside in the streets in the UK.
Self-righteous, much, are we, then? That one statement exhibits the major problem with far too many urbanists. Like some vegans, they just KNOW that what they prefer is the BEST way and anyone who does not agree/prefers something else is perfectly free to make the WRONG decision. That's what you said, you do realize?
Actually, I don't really care. I have siblings who live in the suburbs and I myself grew up in a low-density, car-dependent suburb. All I am doing is voicing how amazing London is.
Anyway, another gorgeous neighbourhood pub in London: Churchill Arms in Notting Hill!
Notting Hill is an upscale, well-to-do village in London. Even wealthy neighbourhoods in London have their own local pub -- and it's right in the middle of the residential area! Quick -- call the zoning police!
That's a totally different type of neighborhood than the one in the OP. And there probably aren't as many people in that entire 'hood as there are in your picture.
ETA:. What's with the American flag?
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Lets just chop down every bit of nature and pave over everything !!!
Pavement for a front yard, how stupid. But maybe some day a 737 might have to do a U turn ?
Go to Google Earth and look at the development on the shoreline of Lake Tahoe and see how this has spread even to the scenic mountain areas. My first reaction to that was to wonder, from where did that many people come, who have that much money, to buy summer homes that would cost so much, for just a few weeks of residence during the year?
Go to Google Earth and look at the development on the shoreline of Lake Tahoe and see how this has spread even to the scenic mountain areas. My first reaction to that was to wonder, from where did that many people come, who have that much money, to buy summer homes that would cost so much, for just a few weeks of residence during the year?
The question is how do you get to them other than by car. Cul de Sac/Meander neighborhoods are not only not walkable, but also "transit-hostile".
And you know this how? By living in one, or by your personal prejudices?
By the way, I have rarely lived in a neighborhood with sidewalks, and somehow I had absolutely no problem getting myself and my child to the stores and back on foot. I must just be amazing!
Personally, I prefer no sidewalks. More direct contact with the earth that way. Much more human than concrete.
That is up for debate, as there have been studies that car-dependent, low-density suburbs contribute to obesity, air pollution, traffic congestion, etc.
Please cite such studies. I'd like to know not only who did them and their prior bias, but who funded them, and exactly how the study was conducted.
In the UK and Europe in general, people are smart enough to distinguish between social drinking and misdemeanors. When misdemeanors do occur, whether or not it is alcohol-induced is irrelevant, an ASBO (Anti-Social Behaviour Order) can be issued (since 2015, the Conservative Government has replaced this with Criminal Behaviour Order).
LMAO. When I meant "business relationships", I meant getting to know your clients and colleagues, discussing ventures and mergers, etc. Having a pint has really nothing to do with it.
Thank God for that! While this is off-topic, it must be so terrible to live somewhere so dangerous that owning a gun is so important.
LMAO. You obviously have never been to Europe, nor do you know anything about British (or European) way of life. It is perfectly normal and encouraged for co-workers to drink together after work, single or not, on any given night. It's even accepted during lunch time. Europeans are smart enough to separate social drinking with anti-social behaviour.
Yes, Land of the Free indeed.
I personally have no problem with pubs and even took my son (as did our friends - their son was our son's best friend) to a local bar where there were video games in the back where the kids hung out (and our son, age 5, attended a Halloween "Bar Wars" at the bar dressed as a life-size R2D2 - best costume either of us ever made for him). Said bar, by the way, was what would be to you a shocking distance away from our home - had to drive - and several blocks from the home of our friends. Said home was on a cul-de-sac street tucked in beside a park. There WAS a bar much closer - a block or so - from their home, but they preferred the other one.
^^The obesity issue has been discussed before. Anyone interested in the discussions should do a search. Thumbnail sketch-it's more economics than where a person lives. Poor people are more likely to be obese. As far as health in general, suburbanites have the best health.
That's not how cul de sacs look in my neck of the woods. They have trees, and larger yards, and the kids play in the street after dinner and there is virtually no traffic. Little ones learn to ride bikes without fear of being hit by a car. On pleasant evenings, the adults pull out chairs and gather and socialize together while the kids play.
Yes, that's what a cul de sac looks like around the city I live in.
You'll get those huge winding streets in the 'burbs of large cities where you probably go to the wrong house for a week after you move in lol.
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