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Old 09-03-2011, 07:48 PM
 
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Sounds to me like you made a well reasoned choice to go to school where the cost is comfortable for you. Once you graduate, you can move to any number of large cities where a car is not needed. Yes, COL is much higher there, but you're young and can find a roommate (or 3) to help with that.

Best of Luck!
I made the only choice I could at the time. I'm hoping to leave the suburbs as soon as I graduate.

 
Old 09-03-2011, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Well, I didn't get my LCSW or anything, which is why I'm not charging you $80 an hour.
Cut the crap. I didn't read your psychoanalysis of me past "Katiana doesn't like change". It's BS and if I want to be analyzed I will find someone competent.
 
Old 09-03-2011, 07:56 PM
 
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Wow, I don't think anyone needs a degree to detect a whole lot of hostility there.

Would it make you feel better if I assured you that the rest of my message contains exactly no assessments of your mental state, but instead discusses some ideas about the future of urban (and suburban) growth over the next few decades?
 
Old 09-03-2011, 08:09 PM
 
Location: ✶✶✶✶
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Direct link to what? To a post where I said the author of a book was unqualified to write about the topic? That is allowed here on CD. I was not denigrating the poster. For God's sake, she's a mod herself. I may be crazy (see below), but I"m not stupid.
And then just the other day you wanted to know what our qualifications were for posting what we did. Since the post I linked speaks volumes to me for your mindset on these issues, and on how you gauge people's credibility, I can't help but to think you were seeking for ways to marginalize our viewpoints because you didn't think we were qualified enough. e.g. "He's a social worker! What does he know about any of this?!" And of course, such an offhand dismissal would be a substitute for a rational argument.

Or maybe you just asking out of blind curiosity, because you wanted to get to know us better.

I've my doubts on that.
 
Old 09-03-2011, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Central Virginia
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You totally lost me at "doesn't like change." OMG if only the people who know me could read this now! I can honestly say, I've moved around and lived in more types of places than anyone I know! This house we just bought is the house we plan to stay in until we retire. Prior to that, I've moved literally every 2 years for the past 10 years. In the past 7 years, I've lived in 3 different states. Dude you don't know me at ALL! I love change. I've not only lived in 4 different states in my life but 14 different places within those states. Of those 14 places I had everything from dense city to suburbs to country life.

I'm the first one to accept change when it's made in the form of progress. Change is good when it works. I laugh at people who can only talk about the good old days and how things used to be. Please. Move on!
I'm all about change. But there are stipulations.

1) that change has to consider all types of people. Even though I personally don't have kids, I know that any proposed changes have to consider the average family's lifestyle. We know that urban life works easily for the single person. How well does it work for families? The question isn't CAN a family live in the city,but rather, do they want to?

2) People who want change need to realize that there are people perfectly happy where they live. They may get public transit right next to their house and they will still choose to drive to work because they are more comfortable in their car. Why? It is set to the temperature they like, they can talk on their phone loudly if they wish, they can blast the radio, they don't have to sit and breath someone else's farts, etc.

Bring the change, make it change that will actually benefit the majority, and understand that some people still won't want it.
 
Old 09-03-2011, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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You totally lost me at "doesn't like change." OMG if only the people who know me could read this now! I can honestly say, I've moved around and lived in more types of places than anyone I know! This house we just bought is the house we plan to stay in until we retire. Prior to that, I've moved literally every 2 years for the past 10 years. In the past 7 years, I've lived in 3 different states. Dude you don't know me at ALL! I love change. I've not only lived in 4 different states in my life but 14 different places within those states. Of those 14 places I had everything from dense city to suburbs to country life.

I'm the first one to accept change when it's made in the form of progress. Change is good when it works. I laugh at people who can only talk about the good old days and how things used to be. Please. Move on!
I'm all about change. But there are stipulations.

1) that change has to consider all types of people. Even though I personally don't have kids, I know that any proposed changes have to consider the average family's lifestyle. We know that urban life works easily for the single person. How well does it work for families? The question isn't CAN a family live in the city,but rather, do they want to?

2) People who want change need to realize that there are people perfectly happy where they live. They may get public transit right next to their house and they will still choose to drive to work because they are more comfortable in their car. Why? It is set to the temperature they like, they can talk on their phone loudly if they wish, they can blast the radio, they don't have to sit and breath someone else's farts, etc.

Bring the change, make it change that will actually benefit the majority, and understand that some people still won't want it.
That's unfortunate. I was looking forward to your response to wburg's post.

What I'm taking from what he wrote is that, up to this point in this thread, you had supported the status quo by making statements like: people should live how they want, and people are happy where they live. (I didn't use quotes because I'm paraphrasing) But, without more responsible land use policies, your environment--the country home where YOU live--will change around you, and be swallowed up by the sprawl that so many are railing against.
 
Old 09-03-2011, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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That's unfortunate. I was looking forward to your response to wburg's post.

What I'm taking from what he wrote is that, up to this point in this thread, you had supported the status quo by making statements like: people should live how they want, and people are happy where they live. (I didn't use quotes because I'm paraphrasing) But, without more responsible land use policies, your environment--the country home where YOU live--will change around you, and be swallowed up by the sprawl that so many are railing against.
Jeez Louise, can we please cut the analysis of people's posts by another poster, and the analysis of his analysis by others? Can't we talk about the topic instead of the posters?
 
Old 09-04-2011, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Jeez Louise, can we please cut the analysis of people's posts by another poster, and the analysis of his analysis by others? Can't we talk about the topic instead of the posters?
What's not on topic? If someone--who happens to live in the country--believes that there's nothing wrong with living in the suburbs, and by extension, might have no problems with the current pattern of sprawl, are they OK with the distinct possibility that their home will become a casualty of that sprawl?
 
Old 09-04-2011, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Central Virginia
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That's unfortunate. I was looking forward to your response to wburg's post.

What I'm taking from what he wrote is that, up to this point in this thread, you had supported the status quo by making statements like: people should live how they want, and people are happy where they live. (I didn't use quotes because I'm paraphrasing) But, without more responsible land use policies, your environment--the country home where YOU live--will change around you, and be swallowed up by the sprawl that so many are railing against.
I live in Virginia outside of a small city. It would take a lot of growth to change what is around me. It's not extreme rural, but it is country. And if that happens, so be it. I'm on 20 acres. I have enough privacy around me. I can roll with the punches. But I can tell you with the housing market collapsing and the way the county I'm in limits growth, I don't see my neck of the woods being swallowed by subdivisions.

Very, very little growth where I am and what growth there is, is very concentrated to the center of town.
IMO, my county is very responsible with land use. Maybe a little too strict. They shot down a veterinary eye specialist wanting to open a practice that would have been far outside the center of town. Not exactly something that is going to be bringing large amounts of traffic. But according to the town, he was too far in the country.

I've lived in a place where land was used poorly in Florida. I know the difference.

As for other places, yes I do think sprawl should be controlled. But again, it has to be noted that not everyplace has the sprawl like California, Nevada, Arizona, Texas, Florida. There are places where the suburbs are well planned, bucolic and overall pleasant to live.
 
Old 09-04-2011, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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I live in Virginia outside of a small city. It would take a lot of growth to change what is around me. It's not extreme rural, but it is country. And if that happens, so be it. I'm on 20 acres. I have enough privacy around me. I can roll with the punches. But I can tell you with the housing market collapsing and the way the county I'm in limits growth, I don't see my neck of the woods being swallowed by subdivisions.

Very, very little growth where I am and what growth there is, is very concentrated to the center of town.
IMO, my county is very responsible with land use. Maybe a little too strict. They shot down a veterinary eye specialist wanting to open a practice that would have been far outside the center of town. Not exactly something that is going to be bringing large amounts of traffic. But according to the town, he was too far in the country.
I've lived in a place where land was used poorly in Florida.

As for other places, yes I do think sprawl should be controlled. But again, it has to be noted that not everyplace has the sprawl like California, Nevada, Arizona, Texas, Florida. There are places where the suburbs are well planned, bucolic and overall pleasant to live.
That's great! I think you might be more in harmony with us urbanists than you realize.
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