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As far as a pig lay'n on their babies, space &/or natural space is not the issue. The babies don't move much, obviously, and the mother will walk over and lay where she wants, sometimes on babies.
Given that the pig species has survived for thousands of years without human intervention, I'm pretty sure that somewhere along the line mothers have figured out how to NOT lie down on their babies .....
Given that the pig species has survived for thousands of years without human intervention, I'm pretty sure that somewhere along the line mothers have figured out how to NOT lie down on their babies .....
Good point, then I guess someone is putting them under the sow.
It does happen, and since we are human I see no reason to LET it happen, and we can help them. If we let nature take it's course, then how many animals/plants, etc would be extinct?
Capt., I think your opinions on animal welfare and farming are best suited for the "great debates" section as nobody here believes there is or should be a debate.
Capt., I think your opinions on animal welfare and farming are best suited for the "great debates" section as nobody here believes there is or should be a debate.
Very good point CR. I'll quit, and keep my posts to questions and answers on how/what veg's to cook. Post what you wish about f.farming, and I will keep my mouth shut. You don't have to ask me twice.........more like "umptien" times.
If you all don't mind, add more of your input on how/what type of veggies to cook. There is one in the food forum now about what is quick and easy to cook for kids.
Good point, then I guess someone is putting them under the sow.
Hmm...that's right! Could it be.....OMG! "farmers"!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Capt. Cave Man
If we let nature take it's course, then how many animals/plants, etc would be extinct?
Hmm, I think we're already working on that. That's a loaded question & not enough time here to get into that one...
BTW, I have no illusions about "fuzzy and warm farms". I well know how critters are raised, as is the point of this thread. We certainly know the hows, but not the whys. Yes, it's all about economics & I understand that farming is a huge business.
The only people who buy those 'misleading & deceptive' PR campaigns from cattle and dairy organizations, are those who truly have a disconnect from the natural world, no matter where they live. Like the vast majority of your customers, correct (aka city-folk)?
I see the discussion has been shooed [more farm talk] off this subforum. Probably correctly so, imo.
One last thing, CCM. Other than family farm issue, you didn't address which parts of that diabolical article I posted you found to be misleading and false, or as they say in farm talk: crap. It's OK. You do get an A+ for effort though. I have this image of you as the little kid in school who always got in trouble for fighting.
Good point, then I guess someone is putting them under the sow.
It does happen, and since we are human I see no reason to LET it happen, and we can help them. If we let nature take it's course, then how many animals/plants, etc would be extinct?
Well, Isn't it because they are not in a natural environment?
Of course, I am sure this happens as they are stressed and not feeling comfortable. If they had a large area... wouldn't they be way more apt to not lay on them?
You made a statement earlier that you never said it was natural for the pigs, I agree! Animals get stressed when they do not feel comfortable and thus do things that they just won't do in nature/wild.
PLants/animals may be going extinct mainly from Humans that have altered nature in the 1st place. If we do nothing about that and not try to reverse what we caused to happen that would be irresponsible.
IF this article was interesting to you, you might enjoy the book The Omnivores Dilemma by Michael Pollan. The author is not a vegetarian, and takes a pretty neutral look on the different types of farming...industrialized farms (including organic) vs smaller, localized farms that function based on crop and animal rotation. He also has some interesting philosophies on vegetarianism!
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