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Old 04-20-2016, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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I used to think that public housing was generally government-owned and permanent. However, over the past few years, I've watched as several large public housing tracts, some (if not all) of which seem to have been privately owned, in DC have been replaced by large development projects. Kelsey Gardens, Sursum Corda, and the place on U street near the intersection with sixteenth street are a few examples. It has me wondering which ones may be next, for better or worse. I'm guessing places in Shaw are highly-vulnerable, given how valuable that land is becoming, and I often wonder how long Asbury Place, the senior center at the intersection of RI and 7th street, will remain a church-owned senior center. (I rarely see lights on.)

The large building right on North Capitol and NY seems like it will be around for a while.

Anyone have thoughts on which projects are likely to stay and which will go?
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Old 04-20-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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It's probably only a matter of time before some of the properties in SW Waterfront go.
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Old 04-20-2016, 12:42 PM
 
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I found a list of public housing in DC here:

Public Housing - District of Columbia Housing Authority

The name of each place under Properties is actually a link. So if you're curious about Sibley Plaza, for example, you can just click on it.
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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It's probably only a matter of time before some of the properties in SW Waterfront go.
Southwest...The Little Quadrant That Could: Over 1,800 Mixed Income Units Could be Built at Greenleaf
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:14 PM
 
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Many places are LIHTC developments in which private developers built housing. Public Housing basically has zero funds to build housing anymore. It either has to be Hope VI (mixed income), or LIHTC, both of which transfers the property to private developers. Basically consider any existing public housing to be on a very specific timeline that it will soon no longer exist. Traditional public housing is basically being phased out of it's federal funding, it may well not be there in a few years.

With regards to LIHTC. These are section 8 buildings. They are privately owned. Once their contract is up, be it 15 years, or 30 years, depending on when it was built. The developer can then choose to convert to market rate. While TOPA does come into play in DC, reality is the funds are just not there to fight a protracted battle with a well financed developer in most cases. Long story short, building gets torn down, gets converted to market rate rentals.

The reality is there will not be as much exclusively low income "affordable" housing in DC in the future. The likelihood of new public housing is nil, and existing LIHTC buildings have a definitive clock attached to them. Most of DC's LIHTC housing was built in the 1980s and early 1990s. So in the next 10 years much of it is set to expire.
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:28 PM
 
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Many places are LIHTC developments in which private developers built housing. Public Housing basically has zero funds to build housing anymore. It either has to be Hope VI (mixed income), or LIHTC, both of which transfers the property to private developers. Basically consider any existing public housing to be on a very specific timeline that it will soon no longer exist. Traditional public housing is basically being phased out of it's federal funding, it may well not be there in a few years.

With regards to LIHTC. These are section 8 buildings. They are privately owned. Once their contract is up, be it 15 years, or 30 years, depending on when it was built. The developer can then choose to convert to market rate. While TOPA does come into play in DC, reality is the funds are just not there to fight a protracted battle with a well financed developer in most cases. Long story short, building gets torn down, gets converted to market rate rentals.

The reality is there will not be as much exclusively low income "affordable" housing in DC in the future. The likelihood of new public housing is nil, and existing LIHTC buildings have a definitive clock attached to them. Most of DC's LIHTC housing was built in the 1980s and early 1990s. So in the next 10 years much of it is set to expire.
That's very interesting. I'd love to know what the contract lengths are on many of the current places and when they expire.
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:30 PM
 
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That's very interesting. I'd love to know what the contract lengths are on many of the current places and when they expire.
Article on the subject of LIHTC (Section 8 contract housing). Why D.C. Is About to Have Even Less Affordable Housing - Housing Complex

Also database http://lihtc.huduser.gov/
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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@ Likely to stay:

Barry Farm, Benning Terrace, Kenilworth Courts, Lagnston Terrace and Woodland Terrace are at least not going anywhere.

And just as well.

We need places for middle class and lower middle class folks in the city as well, all of DC CANNOT be gentrified.

Crime issues can be mitigated with stricter policing measures against the drug dealers, crews and such
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:48 PM
 
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@ Likely to stay:

Barry Farm, Benning Terrace, Kenilworth Courts, Lagnston Terrace and Woodland Terrace are at least not going anywhere.

And just as well.

We need places for middle class and lower middle class folks in the city as well, all of DC CANNOT be gentrified.

Crime issues can be mitigated with stricter policing measures against the drug dealers, crews and such

Barry Farm is slated to be leveled and redeveloped. So to say it is not going anywhere is being ignorant.
I am not sure how long these other public housing projects will last either. Especially if Federal Public housing funds basically get cut to zero (a likely scenario).
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Crime issues can be mitigated with stricter policing measures against the drug dealers, crews and such
That's true, but we're in a period in which police are under a lot of scrutiny and just a call for stricter policing measures is considered controversial.
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