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The HQ isn't a part of any regional office, because it's above them. For FDIC on the East Coast from Maine to Florida you can only be in either the New York or Atlanta regions. The coverage area of two regions converge at the Potomac River. North of the river is the NY region, South of it all support goes to the Atlanta region. Downtown Washington across from the White House, and Virginia Sq in Arlington have headquarters buildings that national HQ operations take place. All regions of the country report to the HQ buildings.
In the "regional" and "field offices" is where bank examiners and IT teams support the surrounding states for the FDIC. The smaller field offices report to regional offices. The closest FDIC field offices are the "Baltimore" office (actually located in Columbia, MD), and that office is part of the NY region. And the Richmond, VA field office which is part of the Atlanta region. So a bank examiner working or reporting to the FDIC in Maryland ultimately reports to NY region, and one in VA reports to Atlanta region.
I think this a great discussion about the distinction between the work that the national (HQ) office and the work that regional offices do. Although DC has the HQ offices, DC itself isn't in its own self-governing, insulated region for the daily work that US government agencies do. The everyday enforcement actions and operations for DC goes to Philadelphia regional office first or the occasional NY regional office, which has jurisdiction and responsibility over the DC area in most of the US government agencies I researched. You can see this clearly in my original post on this thread. I didn't know that until now.
In addition to learning that Philly serves as the most common regional hub for the Mid Atlantic region, I also learned that Atlanta is the regional hub for the US government in the South. It is usually Seattle that is the regional hub for the US government in the Pacific Northwest. Boston for New England, Chicago for Great Lakes region, and so on.
I actually don't think a lot of Americans know how this works and that DC HQs don't actually do the daily enforcements/operational stuff. The regional/field offices do that, and they are spread all over this country. US government jobs/duties are spread all this country.
Last edited by revitalizer; 02-28-2023 at 08:27 PM..
The HQ isn't a part of any regional office, because it's above them. For FDIC on the East Coast from Maine to Florida you can only be in either the New York or Atlanta regions. The coverage area of two regions converge at the Potomac River. North of the river is the NY region, South of it all support goes to the Atlanta region. Downtown Washington across from the White House, and Virginia Sq in Arlington have headquarters buildings that national HQ operations take place, but each region of the country reports to those HQ buildings.
In the "regional" and "field offices" is where bank examiners and IT teams support the surrounding states for the FDIC. The smaller field offices report to regional offices. The closest FDIC field offices are the "Baltimore" office (actually located in Columbia, MD), and that office is part of the NY region. And the Richmond, VA field office which is part of the Atlanta region. So a bank examiner working or reporting to the FDIC in Maryland ultimately reports to NY region, and one in VA reports to Atlanta region.
That's my point. DC is HQ for the entire government and within that context it is considered National Capital Region. Field activities can fall into any number of regions based on the agency size and how the organization is structured. DMV is home to many government field activities that do not all report to offices in DMV in which case those field activities would be aligned with other regions including possibly Mid Atlantic region, depending on the agency.
That's my point. DC is HQ for the entire government and within that context it is considered National Capital Region. Field activities can fall into any number of regions based on the agency size and how the organization is structured. DMV is home to many government field activities that do not all report to offices in DMV in which case those field activities would be aligned with other regions including possibly Mid Atlantic region, depending on the agency.
National Capital Region is synonymous with DC metro area just as Delaware Valley is synonymous with Philly metro area. It seems like you are conflating National Capital Region (which represents a single city and its surrounding area) as being on a equal scale to a broader designation like Mid-Atlantic Region (which is a region comprising multiple cities and their respective areas).
I think the more accurate statement is that the DMV is home to government field offices where most do not report directly to the national HQ offices in the DMV. Most field offices in the DMV report out to regional offices, mostly found elsewhere in the Mid-Atlantic region, and then the regional office reports back into the HQ office just like all other regional offices.
I think it is an important distinction from how you phrased it where it seems like you are saying that, in some cases, government field offices in the DMV do not report to the National HQ in the DMV. Almost every single agency that I looked had DC being a part of a broader region (most commonly the Mid-Atlantic region) other than the National Capital Region. A resounding majority of them operate that way.
For the most part, the federal government treats the National Capital Region (aka DC metro area) as part of the broader Mid-Atlantic region for operational purposes.
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National Capital Region is synonymous with DC metro area just as Delaware Valley is synonymous with Philly metro area. It seems like you are conflating National Capital Region (which represents a single city and its surrounding area) as being on a equal scale to a broader designation like Mid-Atlantic Region (which is a region comprising multiple cities and their respective areas).
I think the more accurate statement is that the DMV is home to government field offices where most do not report directly to the national HQ offices in the DMV. Most field offices in the DMV report out to regional offices, mostly found elsewhere in the Mid-Atlantic region, and then the regional office reports back into the HQ office just like all other regional offices.
I think it is an important distinction from how you phrased it where it seems like you are saying that, in some cases, government field offices in the DMV do not report to the National HQ in the DMV. Almost every single agency that I looked had DC being a part of a broader region (most commonly the Mid-Atlantic region) other than the National Capital Region. A resounding majority of them operate that way.
For the most part, the federal government treats the National Capital Region (aka DC metro area) as part of the broader Mid-Atlantic region for operational purposes.
I think you're mischaracterizing or misunderstaning what I'm saying. Field offices in government agencies do not generally report directly to HQ, to include field offices in DMV. Field offices in DMV are just like field offices in any other place. The size of the agency and the organizational structure determine what "region" they align with. Some agencies in DMV may align with what they refer to as "mid-atlantic" regional offices. Other (field offices) in the DMV may align with regional offices further away, such as NY or Richmond, especially if its footprint is not big enough to justify a Mid-Atlantic office. It just depends on the agency. I've also noticed that Philly is sometimes considered mid Atlantic but more often than not, Northeast. Some definitions of Mid Atlantic include points all the way to NY, which I would certainly be reluctant to use in that context.
If you work for the government or military you will know that National Capital Region is a term used internally to refer to all government activities located within the Metro Washington Area. It's almost never referred to as Mid-Atlantic in my experience. Only field/regional offices use it for mostly public-facing elements. I don't necessarily agree with the premise that most people in the general public are reluctant to use that term to describe the DC area. I've heard it used many times. As a side note, I would also venture to guess that the bulk of government activities in DC are attached to or elements of HQ components not field activities.
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I've also noticed that Philly is sometimes considered mid Atlantic but more often than not, Northeast. Some definitions of Mid Atlantic include points all the way to NY, which I would certainly be reluctant to use in that context.
I appreciate the follow-up.
For the US government, it appears that Philly is considered Mid-Atlantic most times for their purposes, not just sometimes. To me, it's like the de facto regional hub for US gov agencies serving the mid-Atlantic region. I counted around a dozen regional offices in Philly.
For the US government, it appears that Philly is considered Mid-Atlantic most times for their purposes, not just sometimes. To me, it's like the de facto regional hub for US gov agencies serving the mid-Atlantic region. I counted around a dozen regional offices in Philly.
Have not done a complete accounting of all the departments and sub components, especially the lesser known entities. It would take a time consuming deep-dive to get a handle on all that, but...
Have not done a complete accounting of all the departments and sub components, especially the lesser known entities. It would take a time consuming deep-dive to get a handle on all that, but...
My original post could be a good start. It lists some pretty big and/or prominent agencies at that. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the US government has made Philly a hub for operations in the Mid Atlantic.
By the way, none of the links in your post work or go to any useful information. The point of my statement was detailing regional offices where Philly is serving as the point of operations for the Mid-Atlantic.
Both Amtrak and National Park Service (NPS) northeast region includes Philly but also DC too (Virginia to Maine). I'm adding NPS to my list because the Philly regional office serves the Mid-Atlantic, in addition to the Northeast and should be removed from your list. The Census Bureau's Philly office covers PA, DC, MD, VA, DE etc (it's right on their map), and I'm adding it below on my list and should be removed from your list as an opposing example because it isn't accurate.
But just in case you didn't get to read the original post, here are the regional offices in Philly that I researched that serve the Mid-Atlantic. I added a few more since my original post, thanks to you:
Your list is a start, but there are roughly several hundred government agencies. Something must have happened to the links when I transposed them to CD. I suspect it's because I had to log back into the platform mid-post. The corrected links below. They are merely examples of relatively large agencies (DOL is a department) which view PA as NE. As I said previous, Amtrak is quasi gov.
Your list is a start, but there are several hundred government agencies. Something must have happened to the links when I transposed them to CD. I suspect it's because I had to log back into the platform mid-post. The corrected links below. They are merely examples of relatively large agencies which view PA as NE. As I said previous, Amtrak is quasi gov.
Again, your Census link has nothing to do with the regional office. The regional office in Philly covers the following states:
Delaware, District of Columbia, Kentucky, Maryland, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia
The National Park Service considers the Northeast from Virginia to Maine, which includes the Mid-Atlantic.
Amtrak considers the Northeast from Virginia to Maine, which also includes the Mid-Atlantic.
I'll leave it there with you.
I found that the US Government has a significant presence in Philly where it has decided to use it to cover the Mid-Atlantic states in many agencies. The government also chose to have NY/NJ within their own regional office in many agencies, and New England with their own regional office in many agencies. If not those options, then some agencies chose to consider the Northeast from Virginia to Maine and put Mid-Atlantic/Northeast/New England as one region.
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