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Old 11-06-2019, 10:54 PM
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I was always curious about how much electricity the Industrial Wind Areas in the northwest REALLY generate over a years time.

Found BPA's handy spreadsheet showing the generation of electricity by different sources.....it is this page on a hourly summary for an entire year.

https://transmission.bpa.gov/busines...ind/baltwg.png

For the first six months of 2019 through June 30, 2019 this is the electricity generated by percent by type in the northwest. Spring is when the wind is blowing and the dams are running water through their turbines to help down stream smolt migration.

Jan. through June 2019

Wind 7.2%
Hydro 72.3%
Fossil 10.7%
Nuclear 9.8%

July through December 2018

Wind 1.4%
Hydro 75.4%
Fossil 14.7%
Nuclear 8.6%

Wow....we have destroyed somewhere in the neighborhood of 500,000 acres of endangered shrub-steppe habitat in the Pacific Northwest with Industrial Wind Areas. And they generate less electricity than one small nuclear reactor on the Hanford Reservation.

They don't even generate as much electricity as Fossil fuels in the Northwest!!! Those ugly windmills that are sprouting up everywhere in the northwest....does anybody even know where the Fossil fuel plants are located???
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Old 11-06-2019, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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The Electric Network is dying. LongLive PointSource Energy.
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Old 11-07-2019, 05:55 AM
 
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I was always curious about how much electricity the Industrial Wind Areas in the northwest REALLY generate over a years time.

Found BPA's handy spreadsheet showing the generation of electricity by different sources.....it is this page on a hourly summary for an entire year.

https://transmission.bpa.gov/busines...ind/baltwg.png

For the first six months of 2019 through June 30, 2019 this is the electricity generated by percent by type in the northwest. Spring is when the wind is blowing and the dams are running water through their turbines to help down stream smolt migration.

Jan. through June 2019

Wind 7.2%
Hydro 72.3%
Fossil 10.7%
Nuclear 9.8%

July through December 2018

Wind 1.4%
Hydro 75.4%
Fossil 14.7%
Nuclear 8.6%

Wow....we have destroyed somewhere in the neighborhood of 500,000 acres of endangered shrub-steppe habitat in the Pacific Northwest with Industrial Wind Areas. And they generate less electricity than one small nuclear reactor on the Hanford Reservation.

They don't even generate as much electricity as Fossil fuels in the Northwest!!! Those ugly windmills that are sprouting up everywhere in the northwest....does anybody even know where the Fossil fuel plants are located???
Wow, hard to believe that one nuke plant at Hanford produces more energy than all of those windmills combined....we really should just build another nuke plant or two and shut down all of those windmills killing the birds...the French have gotten it about right.
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Old 11-07-2019, 09:19 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Wow, hard to believe that one nuke plant at Hanford produces more energy than all of those windmills combined....we really should just build another nuke plant or two and shut down all of those windmills killing the birds...the French have gotten it about right.
Agree, except France is currently courting a crisis which the industry can learn from. Nuclear is the safest and most efficient method of generation, and could be improved and implemented as small scale distributed generation, to ease distribution problems.
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Old 11-07-2019, 09:23 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Wind will require a lot of maintenance in 10-20 yrs. Remember the wind turbines and towers in Columbia Gorge that were sold for scrap in 1980s? About same time as WPPSS.
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Old 11-07-2019, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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They don't even generate as much electricity as Fossil fuels in the Northwest!!! Those ugly windmills that are sprouting up everywhere in the northwest....does anybody even know where the Fossil fuel plants are located???

At least one coal-fed steam plant is located in Centralia/Chehalis.

I am against Nuclear and I like the idea of using wind... It's free energy, easier to take advantage of than hydro. I don't find the windmills to be ugly. I would like to know what the real bird-strike damage is. I am suspect of most of the reporting around the issue. I fear it's as biased as the reporting about our hydro-electric dams.
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Old 11-07-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Embarrassing, WA
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There are quite a few natural gas turbines in operation that fall into "fossil" yet make quite a bit of energy and burn very clean. Not the best obviously, but far far better than coal.
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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Agree, except France is currently courting a crisis which the industry can learn from. Nuclear is the safest and most efficient method of generation, and could be improved and implemented as small scale distributed generation, to ease distribution problems.
i'll bite.
What is the France's future crisis from which, What industry can learn from?

disclaimer,
Own stock in Bloom Energy, point source energy.
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:40 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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i'll bite.
What is the France's future crisis from which, What industry can learn from?
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Welders needed... (at the moment)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN1VX0N7

Being a Mech and Civil engineer and machinist, and growing up near Nucl, and recognizing the safety and controls of that industry (several friends in the business) I am satisfied that Nucl can be safely and sustainably implemented. Work to be done, but barriers can be overcome (Except for the drama of the uninformed). There is real risk (as there is with anything). Weigh the risks, make the correct decision.

Being a wind turbine repairman would be a decent career path for a 18yo and WA / Oregon has colleges and jobs to meet that requirement. 3,000+ parts... (very complex 'step-up' transmission) something is gonna break / wear out in weather exposure.

or... we can look to overseas developments in wind technology. (Bladeless)
https://www.wired.com/2015/05/future...nes-no-blades/
https://www.windpowerengineering.com...-moving-parts/

There are a lot of studies on Bird Strikes. It is considered worse impact over broader area than the logging industry suffered with Spotted Owl

The sad thing on regional Wind generation is the lack of foresight to make it 'community owned power' (as they have done in MN, IA, WI) funding the communities, schools, infrastructure. Foreign investors own most of PNW wind system, funding countries that may not Put America First .

Oregon and WA are both working on Wave power generation.
add desalinization and ship water to CA, NV, and AZ and drop the rising sea levels! (and pay off our PNW infrastructure). Dams brought a lot of wealth / jobs / QoL to PNW (+/-)

Natural Gas power generation plants should be located near Natural Gas reserves (IMHO).
The rest of us could be smarter about how we generate and use power applicable to our region's generation resources and capacity.

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Old 11-07-2019, 02:22 PM
 
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Wow....we have destroyed somewhere in the neighborhood of 500,000 acres of endangered shrub-steppe habitat in the Pacific Northwest with Industrial Wind Areas.
Where do you get that number from? Are you counting all the land owned for wind farms as destroyed? Isn't most of it still scrubland?
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