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As I understand it, the question is merely about the climate. Some New Yorkers don't have AC either and they have it worse than their Marseillais counterparts.
Because of a climate difference? Or a building difference?
It's not an argument. It's trying to figure out why there is a discrepancy in temperature albeit less then 1F as you pointed out. I would really like to know. Why one product states July at 84.9F, while another 84.1F? How else do you calculate the 30 year average maximum temperature of a climate station? Qilin34 makes a distinction between climate normals, and averages. I was not aware there was one.
Yes, they're not the same. The normals get adjustments, as brought up in climate change debates. The missing data gets interpolated, the overall pattern gets smoothed, and maybe measurements in obvious error get thrown out. In any case, NYC's Central Park isn't one of the stations used for calculating the NCDC climate averages, there are no climate normals, just raw averages. That's all you get.
Raw average is 84.9. Previous periods had NCDC normals. There was another thread here (comparing stations with the highest diurnal range) that you got different answers whether you used NCDC normals or not. The NCDC normals tended to be less extreme diurnal range wise.
Because of a climate difference? Or a building difference?
Both I would imagine. Higher humidity and buildings designed for cold winters, as well as warm summers would make living without AC quite uncomfortable in NYC IMO.
Buildings around the med tend to be pretty good at keeping cool without AC. I only had a desk fan the first time I was in Palma. Admittedly it was very hot as my apartment was south facing, but it was certainly liveable. I just spent as little time as possible there, especially in the evenings when the dew points are well into the 70's.
Yes, they're not the same. The normals get adjustments, as brought up in climate change debates. The missing data gets interpolated, the overall pattern gets smoothed, and maybe measurements in obvious error get thrown out. In any case, NYC's Central Park isn't one of the stations used for calculating the NCDC climate averages, there are no climate normals, just raw averages. That's all you get.
Raw average is 84.9. Previous periods had NCDC normals. There was another thread here (comparing stations with the highest diurnal range) that you got different answers whether you used NCDC normals or not. The NCDC normals tended to be less extreme diurnal range wise.
Ok, I see now. Averages are the raw data calculated (as I did) and unadjusted, the "normals" are smoothed and adjusted for whatever purpose.
Looking into the NCDC website, apparently they do have climate "normals" for Central Park, and it is different from the 1981-2010 "averages"
Maybe it's not the same station as the Central Park WSFO as indicated in the website you provide??
In any case, I just saw that the climate "normal" high temperature for Central Park in July for the 1961-1990 period was higher than the current "normal"
Not necessarily. It might look less murky because of the type of sand or more rocky, but unfortunately the Mediterranean has lots of water pollution. Anything thrown into the Mediterranean Sea basically stays there unless it can exit into the Atlantic through the Straits of Gibraltar which isn't that wide
^^ I think sea pollution is an issue in Marseille area. There are four oil refineries in the Marseille-Fos port. Apparently, a steel mill there has also caused water pollution problems. Until the 80s, there also was a big untreatead sewage water problem. This was near Toulon: http://www.cerimes.fr/thumb/cache/40...ution_mer1.jpg
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Because of a climate difference? Or a building difference?
Like Dean York said, buildings are most likely better suited to warm/hot summers since winter cold is less of an issue than in New York. But I was only thinking about climate. NYC is slightly warmer (especially at night) and more humid. So it's less confortable, though the difference is probably not as big as a lot of people imagine, especially considering Marseille's high sunshine.
Not necessarily. It might look less murky because of the type of sand or more rocky, but unfortunately the Mediterranean has lots of water pollution. Anything thrown into the Mediterranean Sea basically stays there unless it can exit into the Atlantic through the Straits of Gibraltar which isn't that wide
Being 'less murky' is being clearer.
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