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While I thought that was a good and informative post, I would say that plenty of people used to the climate in the Southern US would say they'd never live in Boston because it's way too cold in the winter.
And if you read the OP you'll notice that my 'text' was the copy of that one, just changing some key words.
Nice Photos! What a beautiful city New Orleans is, it's a shame it has so much crime. The parts of the Southern U.S I was talking about were the South-East inland of the coasts where they get snowfall and below freezing temperatures. Us Canadians will go anywhere warmer to get out of the cold, you may have seen quite a few because it is Spring Break these past few weeks in various Cities.
That is cool UV data, where do you get that from? Manchester looks in summer like it is mostly 4 to 6 with a smattering of 7 here and there.
Many of you Northern Americans seem to have this superiority complex where you blame the South for all of your country's problems. As if your part of the country wasn't involved in slavery. Shifting the blame isn't the way to undo 400 years of oppression.
400 years of oppression? As if your beloved King of England wasn't involved in the Slave business back for those 168 years of British rule. Or French and Spanish rule for that matter.
Canadians love to talk smack about the US. If you don't like it, stay away.
400 years of oppression? As if your beloved King of England wasn't involved in the Slave business back for those 168 years of British rule. Or French and Spanish rule for that matter.
Canadians love to talk smack about the US. If you don't like it, stay away.
Yawn. (Generic Southern bashing from someone outside of the region and bringing up slavery that none of us were responsible for). Roll credits. Will never end. .
Word. Even though my ancestors did own slaves, I can't do a whole lot about that.
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Originally Posted by Drake744
While I thought that was a good and informative post, I would say that plenty of people used to the climate in the Southern US would say they'd never live in Boston because it's way too cold in the winter.
No way could I live in Boston. I would not last through a winter that lasts that long. Once the temps get below 75 degrees, I get froggy. I moved further south than South Carolina to get away from our cold winters that only last about six weeks.
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Originally Posted by tom77falcons
400 years of oppression? As if your beloved King of England wasn't involved in the Slave business back for those 168 years of British rule. Or French and Spanish rule for that matter.
Canadians love to talk smack about the US. If you don't like it, stay away.
People don't realize that plenty of black people owned slaves. It's been 150 years and people still argue about this.
Just as expected; once again, people have misconceptions about the climate of the South, and again make weak straw-man arguments about how it somehow "lacks" the subtropicalness of other subtropical regions (even though in reality, the South is one of the warmest of subtropical regions). So I will address the misconceptions:
Misconception 1.)The South is very unstable during the winter.
BS. The South is actually pretty stable during winter. Yes, it has variation during winter, but ALL subtropical regions on EARTH get variation of some sort during the winter, whether you are in Europe, South America, Asia, Australia, or Africa. But what they all have in common is the fact that the variation is not much compared to the continental climates.
Misconception 2.) The South can get quite cold for its latitude.
False. The South compares to Northern India/North Africa on how utterly warm it is during winter. The South is so warm, that it even contains a tropical region outside the tropics(South Florida), and you can even grow coconuts in the region (The Texas Coast and Central/South Florida), something not even North Africa, and North India can do. This is because the South has the tropical winter days rare in other subtropical regions, where lows, even in January, can exceed 60F. I concede, through, that inland areas of the South, such as the Appalachian region, can get winters to the magnitude of that seen in the North, but everything I said earlier applies 100% for the Coastal South. Florida is not the only state with warm winters in the South.
Record lows only appear extreme due to the fact that American technology is very advanced compared to other places in the world, meaning that the equipment is very sensitive. Also, the South is under a cold epoch at this time; during a warmer epoch, 365 growing seasons existed as far north as Cairo, Illinois. The existence of such warmth coincided with the rise and fall of the mound-building Native American societies in North America. Thus, growing zones of 10A and above at one point, existed in large areas of the South.
If the south really was extremely prone to cold compared to other subtropical regions, then the Southern plantations, which grew all sorts of cash crops like peanuts, rice, sugarcane, etc, would not have existed. Today, many coastal southern cities can grow lots of the subtropical plants seen in other subtropical areas on Earth, like CIDPs, Washingtonias, sagos, citrus, and many subtropical cash crops can be grown commercially in the region.
Misconception 3.) The South receives snow more often than other subtropical regions.
People who make such a claim are being intellectually dishonest, since the claim is an example of a "misleading statistics" logical fallacy; for example, you extrapolate an average of "snow every 5 yrs" for the South, since it snowed a certain number of times in a given time interval, ignoring the fact of how the snow was distributed. For example, there could have been one bad year where it snowed some times in the South, but the region can then go a century without any winter weather whatsoever. Also, a region that receives snow is not necessarily colder than a region that doesn't; the Weddell Peninsula in Antarctica receives the most snow out of all the areas of the continent, even though it is the warmest region. Snow, therefore, has more to do with moisture, than with severe cold.
Misconception 4.) The South receives severe weather, and the weather is unbearable much of the year.
This only applies to the area of the South well into the continent, such as Northern Alabama. The Coastal South can see lots of dramatic thunderstorms, but such storms are the non-severe type, akin to those of the tropics, rather than the severe super-cell storms that produce hail, and tornadoes. Lots of people mention hurricanes, ignoring the fact that hurricanes are one of the safest of natural disasters, since you have days in advance to prepare, and the only real damage comes from the storm surge at the immediate coastline; this is how you have hurricane parties, as hurricanes are considered fun to watch. Hurricane Katrina, for example, was only deadly due to the breaking levees, not because it was very powerful. The South is hot and humid in the summer yes, but that's the same for many subtropical regions on Earth. Also, the tropics have heat and humidity year-round, and yet people still label those places as paradise. At least subtropical regions have a cool down.
With the misconceptions addressed, hopefully people will make less straw-mans, and foolish claims regarding the subtropicalness of the South. Seriously, claiming that the South is humid continental like the north? Must be the side-effects of some really serious drugs. The South is subtropical paradise, with humid warmth, and awesome, yet non-severe, thunderstorms with good lightning shows during the warm season, and peaceful, lukewarm weather during the cool season (with some tropical winter days thrown in as well). The subtropical regime of the South has many traits that give people all sorts of wet dreams.
Just as expected; once again, people have misconceptions about the climate of the South, and again make weak straw-man arguments about how it somehow "lacks" the subtropicalness of other subtropical regions (even though in reality, the South is one of the warmest of subtropical regions). So I will address the misconceptions:
Misconception 1.)The South is very unstable during the winter.
BS. The South is actually pretty stable during winter. Yes, it has variation during winter, but ALL subtropical regions on EARTH get variation of some sort during the winter, whether you are in Europe, South America, Asia, Australia, or Africa. But what they all have in common is the fact that the variation is not much compared to the continental climates.
Misconception 2.) The South can get quite cold for its latitude.
False. The South compares to Northern India/North Africa on how utterly warm it is during winter. The South is so warm, that it even contains a tropical region outside the tropics(South Florida), and you can even grow coconuts in the region (The Texas Coast and Central/South Florida), something not even North Africa, and North India can do. This is because the South has the tropical winter days rare in other subtropical regions, where lows, even in January, can exceed 60F. I concede, through, that inland areas of the South, such as the Appalachian region, can get winters to the magnitude of that seen in the North, but everything I said earlier applies 100% for the Coastal South. Florida is not the only state with warm winters in the South.
Record lows only appear extreme due to the fact that American technology is very advanced compared to other places in the world, meaning that the equipment is very sensitive. Also, the South is under a cold epoch at this time; during a warmer epoch, 365 growing seasons existed as far north as Cairo, Illinois. The existence of such warmth coincided with the rise and fall of the mound-building Native American societies in North America. Thus, growing zones of 10A and above at one point, existed in large areas of the South.
If the south really was extremely prone to cold compared to other subtropical regions, then the Southern plantations, which grew all sorts of cash crops like peanuts, rice, sugarcane, etc, would not have existed. Today, many coastal southern cities can grow lots of the subtropical plants seen in other subtropical areas on Earth, like CIDPs, Washingtonias, sagos, citrus, and many subtropical cash crops can be grown commercially in the region.
Misconception 3.) The South receives snow more often than other subtropical regions.
People who make such a claim are being intellectually dishonest, since the claim is an example of a "misleading statistics" logical fallacy; for example, you extrapolate an average of "snow every 5 yrs" for the South, since it snowed a certain number of times in a given time interval, ignoring the fact of how the snow was distributed. For example, there could have been one bad year where it snowed some times in the South, but the region can then go a century without any winter weather whatsoever. Also, a region that receives snow is not necessarily colder than a region that doesn't; the Weddell Peninsula in Antarctica receives the most snow out of all the areas of the continent, even though it is the warmest region. Snow, therefore, has more to do with moisture, than with severe cold.
Misconception 4.) The South receives severe weather, and the weather is unbearable much of the year.
This only applies to the area of the South well into the continent, such as Northern Alabama. The Coastal South can see lots of dramatic thunderstorms, but such storms are the non-severe type, akin to those of the tropics, rather than the severe super-cell storms that produce hail, and tornadoes. Lots of people mention hurricanes, ignoring the fact that hurricanes are one of the safest of natural disasters, since you have days in advance to prepare, and the only real damage comes from the storm surge at the immediate coastline; this is how you have hurricane parties, as hurricanes are considered fun to watch. Hurricane Katrina, for example, was only deadly due to the breaking levees, not because it was very powerful. The South is hot and humid in the summer yes, but that's the same for many subtropical regions on Earth. Also, the tropics have heat and humidity year-round, and yet people still label those places as paradise. At least subtropical regions have a cool down.
With the misconceptions addressed, hopefully people will make less straw-mans, and foolish claims regarding the subtropicalness of the South. Seriously, claiming that the South is humid continental like the north? Must be the side-effects of some really serious drugs. The South is subtropical paradise, with humid warmth, and awesome, yet non-severe, thunderstorms with good lightning shows during the warm season, and peaceful, lukewarm weather during the cool season (with some tropical winter days thrown in as well). The subtropical regime of the South has many traits that give people all sorts of wet dreams.
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