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View Poll Results: When will you see your first 20C/68F minimum?
End of May 5 10.42%
June 7 14.58%
July 3 6.25%
August 0 0%
We don't usually see 20C/68F minimum temps 24 50.00%
It has already occurred 9 18.75%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-18-2014, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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I've never heard the term 'tropical night' used in Britain, and as far as I am aware no records are kept of numbers of nights exceeding any particular temperature threshold. In Korea though the threshold is apparently 25C:

How to fall asleep in tropical nights

As for where I live, I don't think I even need to bother looking up the records to be able to say that it's never happened here, but a low of 20C (rounded, so might have been a 19.5 etc) has happened in Manchester at least once, which is no more than about 50 miles away.
I've just looked at August 1987 and apparently the low was 20.7C on the 20th in Leeds. It looks a little dodgy though. I'll keep my reservations for now.

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Old 05-18-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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^^

Other than the fact that your location is above 50N, I assume that most of the heat that reaches Northern Europe is not accompanied by high dew points. The higher the dew point, the higher the minimum temps...

We had some brutally hot maximum temps during the 1930's and also during the summer of 1988, but those were drought summers. Lower dew points, lower minimums


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Though temperatures recorded at Midway Airport in July 1934 featured 13 days with highs of 90 degrees or higher, including a string of six 100s topped by the sizzling 109-degree high on July 23, that month ranks only as the 16th hottest July there dating back to 1928. The summer of 1934 was during the heart of the Dust Bowl when heat and drought gripped much of the Plains and Midwest, and lower dew points allowed overnight temperatures to drop into the 60s and even the 50s on several occasions. As a result, the month's average temperature of 77.6 degrees, while still well above normal, was far below the 81.3 degree average temperature recorded in July 1955, July 1999 and August 1995, Midway's hottest months on record.
Ask Tom why: I read that Midway Airport recorded a temperature of 109 degrees in July 1934. Was that month one of the hottest on record at Midway? - Chicago Tribune

Midway's hottest month is now July 2012 with a Mean temp of 82.6F. Lowest temperature that month was 19C/66F. Highest minimum was 28C/83F.
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Old 05-18-2014, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Finland
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^^

Other than the fact that your location is above 50N, I assume that most of the heat that reaches Northern Europe is not accompanied by high dew points. The higher the dew point, the higher the minimum temps...
Like there at 60.5N? Synop report summary
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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It's hard to get high minimums here - heatwaves are usually clear with low humidity and little rain, so the temperature falls quickly after the sun goes down. On our hottest day ever, the high was 34.4C, and the low 17.8C. Average humidity on that day was 45%.
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Yorkshire, England
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I've just looked at August 1987 and apparently the low was 20.7C on the 20th in Leeds. The low at Church Fenton on the same date was 18.6C, so it looks legit. I must have overlooked it as a mean or max temp. How unusual that we get out highest ever min temp in one of our coolest summers in the past 30 years.

Still, that's the only instance I can find.

Climate in LEEDS WEATHER CTR in August 1987 - Historical weather records

I was born shortly after.
How strange - I'd never heard anything about that. Bingley had a low of 16.6C on the 20th and 21st of that month, so over 4C warmer in Leeds is pushing it a bit, but plausible.

Edit - WOW! We had a low of 20.8C on 3 August 1990!, and then the high the next day was only 20C and it didn't even get that warm again for weeks...

I have to assume that is accurate, but in all the other hot months I've cherrypicked to have a look at I can't find anything else above 17s. I don't see how a station halfway up a hill with fields all around it can ever be 1.4C milder than the centre of Leeds the same night though when it was 2-3C colder during the day as you'd expect?

Clima en BINGLEY NO.2 durante Agosto de 1990 - datos climáticos históricos
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Most of the year...
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Trondheim, Norway - 63 N
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In Norway we use this term ("Tropenatt") when the minimum during the night is 20C or more. It does happen from time to time but is rare.

It happened last summer here, the night before 29. July 2013, when Trondheim-Værnes had a minimum of 21.8C / 71.2F, and Kvithamar (nearby) a minimum of 20.5C. The very short summer nights does help
Tropenatt i Stjørdal - NRK

The warmest minimum in Norway was 25.5C / 77.9F at Halden (S of Oslo) 9. July 1933.
Second warmest was 25C at Sunndalsøra (SW of Trondheim) 29. August 1997.
Third warmest was 24.7C at Grøtøy in Steigen (E of Lofoten) 1. July 1972. This is 200 km north of the Arctic Circle
Maybe even more remarkable was the night 30.July 1960, when Makkaur lighthouse, on the Arctic Finnmark Barents sea coast at nearly 71N had a minimum of 24.2C /75.6F

source: Norske værrekorder - Wikipedia
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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How strange - I'd never heard anything about that. Bingley had a low of 16.6C on the 20th and 21st of that month, so over 4C warmer in Leeds is pushing it a bit, but plausible.

Edit - WOW! We had a low of 20.8C on 3 August 1990!, and then the high the next day was only 20C and it didn't even get that warm again for weeks...

I have to assume that is accurate, but in all the other hot months I've cherrypicked to have a look at I can't find anything else above 17s. I don't see how a station halfway up a hill with fields all around it can ever be 1.4C milder than the centre of Leeds the same night though when it was 2-3C colder during the day as you'd expect?

Clima en BINGLEY NO.2 durante Agosto de 1990 - datos climáticos históricos
I guess it's possible, even if it's extremely weird. Leeds Bradford had a low of 19C on the same night. I would have expected the centre of Leeds to be a lot warmer.
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Yorkshire, England
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Maybe even more remarkable was the night 30.July 1960, when Makkaur lighthouse, on the Arctic Finnmark Barents sea coast at nearly 71N had a minimum of 24.2C /75.6F

source: Norske værrekorder - Wikipedia
That's higher than our national record of 23.9C, set in Brighton on the English Channel coast at nearly 51N on 3 August 1990...

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/w...limateExtremes
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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Already had a minimum of 20C here in Malta on May 13th...

Back in the UK in Portsmouth I used to record at least one night a year with a minimum of around 19C/20C & sometimes a little higher too, during the 2003 heatwave I recorded a low of 24C (on the same night Solent MRSC recorded a low of 21.8C).
Last summer I recorded one night with a minimum of 20C, 3 with a minimum of 19C & 6 with a minimum of 18C. The warmest minimum at Solent MRSC last summer was 18.1C...
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