Would you classify this type of climate as subtropical(Csa by Koppen): Taraz,Kazakhstan? (records, rainfall)
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I don't understand the OP. He asks the question if we classify a particular climate as being sub-tropical, every single person says that it isn't, then he says we are all wrong & it is sub-tropical...
I don't understand the OP. He asks the question if we classify a particular climate as being sub-tropical, every single person says that it isn't, then he says we are all wrong & it is sub-tropical...
Why ask if you had already made your mind up?
And yes it is continental NOT sub-tropical
Amigos, what is not clear for you? The situation is interesting in a way that most of you say it's NOT subtropical while maps(they're credible from reputable soviet sources) says otherwise. Koppen even complicated things even further with his -3C isotherm as the lowest border of C type climate. Since I discovered his system just 3 months ago, I became curious what the heck is that. I am engineer by profession so don't get me wrong -it's in my nature to question things the way they are. e.g. 3 years ago I discovered personal DNA testing, and found out many things that I would never know in my whole life if wasn't curious and stubborn from time to time. Please visit Kazakh's DNA Results to see interesting findings I made through the small molecules named "DNA".
P.S. All my life I never even thought that my city where I grew up is in so called "subtropical" climate. That even fig trees, pomegranate, lemon tree could be grown in my garden which I will definitely do in the near future.
P.S. All my life I never even thought that my city where I grew up is in so called "subtropical" climate. That even fig trees, pomegranate, lemon tree could be grown in my garden which I will definitely do in the near future.
Your lemon tree won't make it past the first month of January with an avg high/low 35.6/18F. What is the avg lowest temp that is reached there each winter? 5F? 10F? You can forget about any lemon trees or any other citrus for that matter.
Your lemon tree won't make it past the first month of January with an avg high/low 35.6/18F. What is the avg lowest temp that is reached there each winter? 5F? 10F? You can forget about any lemon trees or any other citrus for that matter.
We will see it There is a Tashkent lemon which can tolerate low temps unlike most lemon forms.
Amigos, what is not clear for you? The situation is interesting in a way that most of you say it's NOT subtropical while maps(they're credible from reputable soviet sources) says otherwise. Koppen even complicated things even further with his -3C isotherm as the lowest border of C type climate. Since I discovered his system just 3 months ago, I became curious what the heck is that. I am engineer by profession so don't get me wrong -it's in my nature to question things the way they are. e.g. 3 years ago I discovered personal DNA testing, and found out many things that I would never know in my whole life if wasn't curious and stubborn from time to time. Please visit Kazakh's DNA Results to see interesting findings I made through the small molecules named "DNA".
P.S. All my life I never even thought that my city where I grew up is in so called "subtropical" climate. That even fig trees, pomegranate, lemon tree could be grown in my garden which I will definitely do in the near future.
A few maps mean nothing & the Koppen system has huge flaws, you can kid yourself all you like & claim you live in a sub-tropical climate, but you don't...
And good luck growing those lemons in your garden, you should give some bananas & even a coconut a go too...
Again, nope. Nowhere near subtropical.. clearly continental.
Cfa climates are commonly found in continental interiors. So subtropical in the sense of Cfa can certainly be continental. The commonalities of Cfa climates is lack of continuous or near continuous winter snow cover. It's not the greatest marker, but there's a certain logic: there's not a huge difference in character between say, Arkansas and southern New England that it's an entirely different climate. The deep south, yes. If you don't like the name subtropical, use something else. There needs to be some label for Cfa climates, subtropical in this case fits the definition of Koppen's Cfa rules.
Cfa climates are commonly found in continental interiors. So subtropical in the sense of Cfa can certainly be continental. The commonalities of Cfa climates is lack of continuous or near continuous winter snow cover. It's not the greatest marker, but there's a certain logic: there's not a huge difference in character between say, Arkansas and southern New England that it's an entirely different climate. The deep south, yes. If you don't like the name subtropical, use something else. There needs to be some label for Cfa climates, subtropical in this case fits the definition of Koppen's Cfa rules.
I still think that to call somewhere cfa -using the term subtropical or not - is definitely flawed when there is such a large temperature range between the seasons. This climate clearly has continental characteristics.. I don't know why Koppen thought that snow cover had to be common requirement to differentiate. In most other climate groups there are similarities at the top and bottom of locations in each scale.. in the cfa type there are none at all. This place shares nothing with Brisbane..
I still think that to call somewhere cfa -using the term subtropical or not - is definitely flawed when there is such a large temperature range between the seasons. This climate clearly has continental characteristics.. I don't know why Koppen thought that snow cover had to be common requirement to differentiate. In most other climate groups there are similarities at the top and bottom of locations in each scale.. in the cfa type there are none at all. This place shares nothing with Brisbane..
I would subdivide it as well, but there are downsides to have too many subdivisions — eventually it destroys the point of classification. Comparing the extremes of each type is bound to get oddities.
I would subdivide it as well, but there are downsides to have too many subdivisions — eventually it destroys the point of classification. Comparing the extremes of each type is bound to get oddities.
But in general I think that this is the only type that would need two types.. or even just changing the boundaries for continental climates/desert climates which this one falls close to. Looking at October, the lows are already 2C.. that says to me that this place is very continental
That must be the only region in the world then with an average low of -8C in the coldest month that is in Zone 7 That map shows Sochi as zone 8 which it is clearly not as it is in zone 9 and has winters way warmer than Taraz. How can there be only one zone difference between the two cities.
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The situation is interesting in a way that most of you say it's NOT subtropical while maps(they're credible from reputable soviet sources) says otherwise. Koppen even complicated things even further with his -3C isotherm as the lowest border of C type climate. Since I discovered his system just 3 months ago, I became curious what the heck is that. I am engineer by profession so don't get me wrong -it's in my nature to question things the way they are. e.g. 3 years ago I discovered personal DNA testing, and found out many things that I would never know in my whole life if wasn't curious and stubborn from time to time. Please visit 
There is a Tashkent lemon which can tolerate low temps unlike most lemon forms.
That map shows Sochi as zone 8 which it is clearly not as it is in zone 9 and has winters way warmer than Taraz. How can there be only one zone difference between the two cities. 
