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View Poll Results: Best climate to start a civilization. Cfa or Csa
Csa (Meditteranean Climate) 38 59.38%
Cfa (Humid Subtropical Climate) 26 40.63%
Voters: 64. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-25-2017, 10:14 PM
 
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This comes from the last question i asked. I know it is a bit weird but ive been thinking about this all day. This one is with a bit more specific title and most of the answers on the last thread were jokes anyway so...


ill prob just repeat the previous points i made about each ...

With a meditteranean climate, theres less mosquitoes and other insects in the summer than Cfa, less decomposing bacteria and other microorganisms in the soil than Cfa, and as long as theres rivers nearby that brings water from other locations, you should be good in the water situation. Thats what made many ancient desert civilizations possible. Plus it probably gets more sunshine and clear nights which would get the human mind thinking "what in the world is up there?", which is probably why astronomy got started in areas with not much cloud cover. Also the lack of big predator animals like you would find in Cfa (Panthers, alligators etc)

However for Cfa, theres a longer growing season due to there being no dry season, more fruits can grow here than in Cfa, so theres much more food available. There would probably be more crop development as well with no dry season when everything turns brown and dies. Also (i know this isnt a pre-requisite), but its much more beautiful with the greenery and the ocean. The Cfa zone kinda seems to have it all. And if its moderated in la temperatures, then there wont be as many mosquitoes and insects, and it wont be as humid (Sydney, AUS is probably a good example), but will there be predator animals though?

Obviously modern civilization takes care of just about all of these problems but 5000 years ago, where would be the best place to start a civilization?
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Mediterranean. Also go to thread tools and chuck a poll up there.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Ice gap climate and hot dessert.

Also Mount Owen.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:23 PM
 
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Mediterranean. Also go to thread tools and chuck a poll up there.
ok. Long time lurker at this website and i just made this account so im sort of new. lol
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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ok. Long time lurker at this website and i just made this account so im sort of new. lol
All good - we all gotta learn.
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Old 03-26-2017, 12:54 AM
 
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It seems cfa and other wet climates can support a larger population than csa.
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Old 03-26-2017, 02:05 AM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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A mild Csa climate.
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Old 03-26-2017, 04:28 AM
 
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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However for Cfa, theres a longer growing season due to there being no dry season, more fruits can grow here than in Cfa, so theres much more food available. There would probably be more crop development as well with no dry season when everything turns brown and dies.
While I agree that Cfa is better for plant growth than Csa, the dry season in Mediterranean climates isn't necessarily completely dry and things don't necessarily turn brown and die; the plants are completely used to relative drought in growing season, so there should still be plentiful food in that time of the year.
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Old 03-26-2017, 05:55 AM
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Location: Ontario
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This comes from the last question i asked. I know it is a bit weird but ive been thinking about this all day. This one is with a bit more specific title and most of the answers on the last thread were jokes anyway so...


ill prob just repeat the previous points i made about each ...

With a meditteranean climate, theres less mosquitoes and other insects in the summer than Cfa, less decomposing bacteria and other microorganisms in the soil than Cfa, and as long as theres rivers nearby that brings water from other locations, you should be good in the water situation. Thats what made many ancient desert civilizations possible. Plus it probably gets more sunshine and clear nights which would get the human mind thinking "what in the world is up there?", which is probably why astronomy got started in areas with not much cloud cover. Also the lack of big predator animals like you would find in Cfa (Panthers, alligators etc)

However for Cfa, theres a longer growing season due to there being no dry season, more fruits can grow here than in Cfa, so theres much more food available. There would probably be more crop development as well with no dry season when everything turns brown and dies. Also (i know this isnt a pre-requisite), but its much more beautiful with the greenery and the ocean. The Cfa zone kinda seems to have it all. And if its moderated in la temperatures, then there wont be as many mosquitoes and insects, and it wont be as humid (Sydney, AUS is probably a good example), but will there be predator animals though?

Obviously modern civilization takes care of just about all of these problems but 5000 years ago, where would be the best place to start a civilization?
Not sure about Cfa "longer" growing season...and more fruits can be grown, more crop development,
I think you mean without irrigation.

California is the USA champ when it comes to growing crops....tons of fruit....in fact a lot of what
we eat here in Canada comes from California.
It is a huge multi-billion dollar industry...and California is bone dry in summer.
Irrigation is the key, along with all year growing season and tons of sunshine.
I checked USDA website....
California is number one in US for agriculture...grows 13 percent of all food
grown in the country....close to 50 billion dollars worth.
Here are some of the higher percentage crops ...mostly fruit and nuts and veggies...
Almonds ......100
Walnuts .......100
Pistachios.......99
Strawberries...84
Tangerines.....88
Lemons ........78
Carrots..........82
Broccoli.........94
Celery............96
Figs..............100
Avocados.......93

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Old 03-26-2017, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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With a meditteranean climate, theres less mosquitoes and other insects in the summer than Cfa, less decomposing bacteria and other microorganisms in the soil than Cfa, and as long as theres rivers nearby that brings water from other locations, you should be good in the water situation. Thats what made many ancient desert civilizations possible. Plus it probably gets more sunshine and clear nights which would get the human mind thinking "what in the world is up there?", which is probably why astronomy got started in areas with not much cloud cover. Also the lack of big predator animals like you would find in Cfa (Panthers, alligators etc)

However for Cfa, theres a longer growing season due to there being no dry season, more fruits can grow here than in Cfa, so theres much more food available.
Don't count on there being less mosquitoes & insects in Med climates, come to Malta & see

Also I don't agree the Humid Subtropical climates have longer growing seasons, growing seasons are not judged on rainfall but by temperature. Here crops are grown year round, witn temperatures being warm enough in the winter for salad & vegetables to be produced, in the summer all is needed is some irrigation. Also many fruits can grow here, again due to the temperatures rather than rainfall pattern...
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