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Old 08-29-2022, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Classification isn't the same as climate imo - one is an attempt to impose boundaries within the spectrum of all climates, while the other is the real world factor which determines what can grow in any given place.
Which is why places near the edge of a classification zone can have more similarities to nearby places in a different zone than to faraway places in the same zone. That doesn't invalidate the classification; it just means that classification serves a different purpose.
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Old 08-29-2022, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Gooseberry grows wild all over the UK and they're actually in season right now. Maybe the name refers to a different plant in New Zealand?
Yep, Cape Gooseberries - a type of nightshade. They won't survive even the mildest UK winters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physalis_peruviana

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Which is why places near the edge of a classification zone can have more similarities to nearby places in a different zone than to faraway places in the same zone. That doesn't invalidate the classification; it just means that classification serves a different purpose.
Classification isn't real - it's just a reflection of how the author views climates.
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Old 08-29-2022, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Yep, Cape Gooseberries - a type of nightshade. They won't survive even the mildest UK winters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physalis_peruviana
You had better edit the wikipedia page then that says they grow up to 60°N latitude!


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Classification isn't real - it's just a reflection of how the author views climates.
Just because something is not real does not mean it cannot be useful. Consider the square root of negative 1 for example.
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Old 08-29-2022, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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You had better edit the wikipedia page then that says they grow up to 60°N latitude!
Not as a perennial though.



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Just because something is not real does not mean it cannot be useful. Consider the square root of negative 1 for example.
How is Cfb classification useful for where I live?
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Old 08-29-2022, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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How is Cfb classification useful for where I live?
Well it allows me to predict that you have a generally westerly flow powered by mid-latitude cyclones and that your rainfall is roughly evenly distributed throughout the year.

It's not perfect though. For example, it fails to predict that you can go skiing in the morning, surfing in the afternoon, and go to sleep on a bed of homegrown avocados.
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Old 08-29-2022, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Well it allows me to predict that you have a generally westerly flow powered by mid-latitude cyclones and that your rainfall is roughly evenly distributed throughout the year.

It's not perfect though. For example, it fails to predict that you can go skiing in the morning, surfing in the afternoon, and go to sleep on a bed of homegrown avocados.
But it won't tell you that the majority of my areas rainfall is due to tropical systems, or that winter is about as sunny as summer.


.... wish I could go surfing in the afternoon here.
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Old 08-29-2022, 03:52 PM
 
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But it won't tell you that the majority of my areas rainfall is due to tropical systems
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I can't see this being correct. It's not the case for Sydney and it might not even be the case for Brisbane.
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Old 08-29-2022, 03:56 PM
 
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I can't see this being correct. It's not the case for Sydney and it might not even be the case for Brisbane.
By quantity it is.
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Old 08-29-2022, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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By quantity it is.
Please elaborate. On average the remnants of just one single tropical system hits the entirety of New Zealand each year.
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Old 08-29-2022, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Please elaborate. On average the remnants of just one single tropical system hits the entirety of New Zealand each year.
I would say a cyclone a year, plus the so called atmospheric river.

The warm front aspect of midlatitude lows can also be considered as subtropical imo.
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