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Actually I think Arizona is gorgeous and I'd love to visit its national parks. My wife spent a week at Miraval in Tucson and had a blast. It was a bunch of wealthy liberals eating organic food and just loving life. We're coming for you Ex New Yorker!
Me too! My wife and I will be taking some NY to Utah. We're looking forward to feeling superior to the silly religious locals and skiing at Snowbird with the countless other NYers.
Seems like 2/3 of the nonlocals at Snowbird are NYers. After cashing out in Westchester they end up getting a ski condo in SLC and nice house someplace else.
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there are people here making 6 figures that still struggle (unless they don't mind living >1hr outside of the city and spending their lives commuting)
I a well aware of the challenges but if Johnny or Janie (alias's ) can't learn to manage their finances with 6 figures coming in that is their fault I have no sympathy. (Disclaimer this excludes anyone who is experiencing a life altering/threatening illness. Liposuction does not fall into this category)
Politics have very little to do with the cost of living in the metro area. The market will price housing at whatever it can sustain. Take CT for example the taxes are significantly lower so you get a big jump in home price, NJ has the same effect to some degree. Housing is expensive in NYC area because Manhattan is filled with some of the highest paying jobs in the world.
Politics has A LOT to do with it. The insane taxation is purely political. So both the property taxes and the city/state income tax which are the highest in the country. Add the sales tax, the gas tax, the one of a kind "NY Mortgage Tax" anytime you enter or exit a home..... So, yes, close proximity to high paying jobs is factored into the housing cost....but those other things bludgeon mid and upper mid class to death. You create a society of very wealthy and poor (govt dependent) and the middle keeps moving further and further out or decides to flee. Politics is at the HEART of it.
Can you please describe who, exactly, has been habituated to these govt handouts? Where are these people? What do they look like? How many of them are there? And how this has driven out the middle class? If you're going to toss that stuff out there you ought to be able to describe who and what you're talking about.
So there are no people who live in Westchester County that do not require government assistance? Or who have not lived for generations on welfare? You can not possibly be that blind! Why don't you just leave your tony little Pound Ridge estate and step out of your limousine. You might want to visit sections of Yonkers, Mt. Vernon, Peekskill, Ossining, New Rochelle, Sleepy Hollow, and Tarrytown. That's just in Westchester. Who do you think pays to support these people? Besides what middle class person wants to live amongst such crime, filth and poverty. I see you don't. You sir, are a hypocrite.
Why are you planning on leaving the area? You've made your bed but you don't want to lay in it. What difference does it make who they are or what they look like. Maybe you would like to live across the street from Bohlmann Towers in Peekskill or any other of the subsidized projects throughout Westchester. New York State is known as a socialist welfare state. It costs money, lots of it in order to maintain that class of people. Which by the way is instrumental in keeping the Democratic Party in power. Just as racism keeps Sharpton, Jackson, Farrahkan and yes, Obama in power. Dependency on government never lifts anyone out of poverty it condemns them to it. These people only want to rule over and enslave them. For without them they'd get nowhere.
I witnessed over the last 20 years of how one by one my neighbors were moving out. Only to be replaced by illegal invaders, mostly Ecuadorian moving in. Turning single family homes into multi family apartments. Along with that came the litter, the crime and the noise. I think they call it urban blight. Peekskill wasn't the greatest place to begin with but it was the only place where we could afford a home that was within a reasonable commute to our jobs.
I along with my wife grew up in Irvington and remember how it was when it was a middle class town. That is until the owners of very large estates died. Developers came in, put up multi million dollar homes and priced us all out. Back then you didn't need two salaries or multiple jobs to raise a family and own a home. Yes, even in Irvington! This was the case for most of the people I graduated high school with. Who also by the way left the area as soon as they graduated college. I know this from our high school reunion roster.
I watched one by one as manufacturing jobs left the Hudson Valley because of the high cost of doing business in New York State. Including the one that my wife and I both worked for, for 20 years. They went to Virginia. Upstate New York is an industrial wasteland. We taught ourselves how to use computers and became self employed as our old skills in manufacturing were obsolete. Fortunately for us we became successful and were able to live wherever we choose. Getting out of New York was our #1 priority.
Angry? Yes, I was at one time very angry, you see I am also a political activist only not one to your liking. I was constantly writing letters to the newspaper and contacting both state and local politicians about the plight of the middle class in New York State. So much so that many of them knew my name. It was all an exercise in futility. Their insatiable demands for more money were and will always be relentless. New York State is hopelessly broken and we are free of it at last.
I still can't get political activism out of my system. My mission now is to continue my fight against Progressivism/Liberalism/Socialism where ever it rears it's ugly head. I've had enough of it living in New York, if some of you people do not like it too bad. Or does the 1st Amendment only apply to the Progressive viewpoint?
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"But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder." --- The Law by Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) French economist, statesman, and author. Pretty much sums up my political philosophy!
So there are no people who live in Westchester County that do not require government assistance? Or who have not lived for generations on welfare? You can not possibly be that blind! Why don't you just leave your tony little Pound Ridge estate and step out of your limousine. You might want to visit sections of Yonkers, Mt. Vernon, Peekskill, Ossining, New Rochelle, Sleepy Hollow, and Tarrytown. That's just in Westchester. Who do you think pays to support these people? Besides what middle class person wants to live amongst such crime, filth and poverty. I see you don't. You sir, are a hypocrite.
Why are you planning on leaving the area? You've made your bed but you don't want to lay in it. What difference does it make who they are or what they look like. Maybe you would like to live across the street from Bohlmann Towers in Peekskill or any other of the subsidized projects throughout Westchester. New York State is known as a socialist welfare state. It costs money, lots of it in order to maintain that class of people. Which by the way is instrumental in keeping the Democratic Party in power. Just as racism keeps Sharpton, Jackson, Farrahkan and yes, Obama in power. Dependency on government never lifts anyone out of poverty it condemns them to it. These people only want to rule over and enslave them. For without them they'd get nowhere.
I witnessed over the last 20 years of how one by one my neighbors were moving out. Only to be replaced by illegal invaders, mostly Ecuadorian moving in. Turning single family homes into multi family apartments. Along with that came the litter, the crime and the noise. I think they call it urban blight. Peekskill wasn't the greatest place to begin with but it was the only place where we could afford a home that was within a reasonable commute to our jobs.
I along with my wife grew up in Irvington and remember how it was when it was a middle class town. That is until the owners of very large estates died. Developers came in, put up multi million dollar homes and priced us all out. Back then you didn't need two salaries or multiple jobs to raise a family and own a home. Yes, even in Irvington! This was the case for most of the people I graduated high school with. Who also by the way left the area as soon as they graduated college. I know this from our high school reunion roster.
I watched one by one as manufacturing jobs left the Hudson Valley because of the high cost of doing business in New York State. Including the one that my wife and I both worked for, for 20 years. They went to Virginia. Upstate New York is an industrial wasteland. We taught ourselves how to use computers and became self employed as our old skills in manufacturing were obsolete. Fortunately for us we became successful and were able to live wherever we choose. Getting out of New York was our #1 priority.
Angry? Yes, I was at one time very angry, you see I am also a political activist only not one to your liking. I was constantly writing letters to the newspaper and contacting both state and local politicians about the plight of the middle class in New York State. So much so that many of them knew my name. It was all an exercise in futility. Their insatiable demands for more money were and will always be relentless. New York State is hopelessly broken and we are free of it at last.
I still can't get political activism out of my system. My mission now is to continue my fight against Progressivism/Liberalism/Socialism where ever it rears it's ugly head. I've had enough of it living in New York, if some of you people do not like it too bad. Or does the 1st Amendment only apply to the Progressive viewpoint?
Wow, quite a rant, but I'm not buying any of it. I actually lived in Yonkers for years. My apt was burned down along with my cars. I also lived in Newark for a spell. My car was stolen and eventually recovered. The trunk was full of chicken feathers. I worked for years in Tarrytown. And I own business in New Rochelle that employs the welfare youth you refer to. I work with them daily. Their biggest challenge is finding positive adult role models and employers willing to train them in life outside "the projects" (New Rochelle's projects are pretty limited, but they're there).
So don't lecture me about any of that. I've probably been immersed in it far more deeply than you have unless you're a social worker (fat chance). Whatever Westchester's problems may be, they don't arise from the lazy, entitled, parasitical underclass that you apparently see everywhere. But your posts are so over-the-top that they're pretty amusing. That's the only reason I bother to respond at all, cause otherwise there's really not much point.
I predict this thread will soon be locked. But until it is, perhaps you could share the solution that you propose. What do you think should be done? It's fine to talk about activisim, the horrors of socialism, yada yada. Are you suggesting that NYS follow the example of such places as Kansas, Arkansas or South Carolina? I mean, their social and taxation policies work so well. And what would you do to those lazy people in 'Yonkers, Mt. Vernon, Peekskill, Ossining, New Rochelle, Sleepy Hollow, and Tarrytown.' We can't wait to hear about it.
ps - I'm leaving the area because:
1. My house is just too damn big. it's just a waste. I'd be downsizing regardless of where I was.
2. I want to live in another part of the country for a spell and ski 100 days a year. Simple as that.
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I could care less if you're buying it. I didn't expect you to. You asked for it and I gave it to you in spades. I figured you'd be asking more stupid questions so I tried but failed to cut you off at the pass. You still continue to ask them yet you haven't proven me wrong. Too bad if you do not like it. My solution is simple, I got the hell out of New York because I hated living there and because of people like you. I'm not a hypocrite who defends living there but at the same time wants to get out. Refusing to live amongst those that you profess to care so much about once you've supposedly made it. Kind of like the Clinton's. I wonder why they chose Chappaqua over Gramatan Ave. in Mt. Vernon?
If you love New York/Westchester County why don't you buy a smaller house in any of those places I've mentioned? There's plenty of them available. But you choose not to live there because those places are not good enough for your high standard of living. You can always go skiing in the Adirondacks, The Catskills, or Vermont. Simple as that.
The problem with people like you is that you think everyone else is stupid. That we are blind as to what's been going on during our lifetimes. That what we've witnessed happening to our communities was just a figment of our imagination. As a matter of fact you depend on it maybe that's why New York is in the sorry state that it's in.
I could care less if you're buying it. I didn't expect you to. You asked for it and I gave it to you in spades. I figured you'd be asking more stupid questions so I tried but failed to cut you off at the pass. You still continue to ask them yet you haven't proven me wrong. Too bad if you do not like it. My solution is simple, I got the hell out of New York because I hated living there and because of people like you. I'm not a hypocrite who defends living there but at the same time wants to get out. Refusing to live amongst those that you profess to care so much about once you've supposedly made it. Kind of like the Clinton's. I wonder why they chose Chappaqua over Gramatan Ave. in Mt. Vernon?
If you love New York/Westchester County why don't you buy a smaller house in any of those places I've mentioned? There's plenty of them available. But you choose not to live there because those places are not good enough for your high standard of living. You can always go skiing in the Adirondacks, The Catskills, or Vermont. Simple as that.
The problem with people like you is that you think everyone else is stupid. That we are blind as to what's been going on during our lifetimes. That what we've witnessed happening to our communities was just a figment of our imagination. As a matter of fact you depend on it maybe that's why New York is in the sorry state that it's in.
Blah blah blah all I hear is bitterness. You are very bitter and it's sad. So glad you found a place to live that you like.
I quite like it here. I lived in North Carolina for a while and it SUCKED. So glad to be back up north.
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Well, good, good, good! I'm glad you like it there. Hope you stay there. I see I'm striking a raw nerve of all those "tolerant" open minded Progressives. Mission Accomplished!
I witnessed over the last 20 years of how one by one my neighbors were moving out. Only to be replaced by illegal invaders, mostly Ecuadorian moving in. Turning single family homes into multi family apartments. Along with that came the litter, the crime and the noise. I think they call it urban blight.
Would this place be Scarsdale? Bronxville? LOL!
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Originally Posted by Ex New Yorker
I along with my wife grew up in Irvington and remember how it was when it was a middle class town. That is until the owners of very large estates died. Developers came in, put up multi million dollar homes and priced us all out. Back then you didn't need two salaries or multiple jobs to raise a family and own a home. Yes, even in Irvington! This was the case for most of the people I graduated high school with. Who also by the way left the area as soon as they graduated college. I know this from our high school reunion roster.
So rich people want to move to Irvington because it had much to offer. What is bad about that?
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) can't learn to manage their finances with 6 figures coming in that is their fault I have no sympathy. (Disclaimer this excludes anyone who is experiencing a life altering/threatening illness. Liposuction does not fall into this category)
