Wisconsin Governor’s Race 2018 (Milwaukee, Oak Creek: appointed, cabinet, restaurant)

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There is a natural strength in numbers. The electoral college is the great equalizer.
So what if it gives rural areas some clout. They don't have votes by the tens of millions.

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Originally Posted by timberline742

Yeah, its super great the a minority of people have more power than the majority of people.

I hope you don't feel this way concerning racial issues.
Just because it doesn't necessarily pertain to race, it doesn't mean that plight of rural America is any less important. We're still talking about people who are often overlooked, marginalized, and underrepresented.

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K

Originally Posted by timberline742

Ah great, more talking down and spouting middle school level civics. That's grand.


What is allows for is someone living in a remote rural area to have FAR MORE power than someone living in NYC. It makes no sense at all.


And, since places like NY, CA, etc really support much of the rural states financially (look at the net flow of tax dollars), then yes, the people in these places should have EQUAL standing.

The electoral college is the equalizer you speak of. NYC has natural strength in numbers. Farm country doesn't.
People in NY and CA shouldn't pretend to know what's best for anyone in Kansas.
I'm sure during Jim Crow, there were well-meaning whites who thought they knew what was best for black people.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by sub

K

The electoral college is the equalizer you speak of. NYC has natural strength in numbers. Farm country doesn't.
People in NY and CA shouldn't pretend to know what's best for anyone in Kansas.
I'm sure during Jim Crow, there were well-meaning whites who thought they knew what was best for black people.

Completely incorrect.



The electoral college isn't an equalizer, it creates unequality. It means the people in farm country have FAR MORE power than a person in a city. It is rural people that are telling those in urban areas how to live. A vote in North Dakota is multiple powers more impactful than a vote from New York A vote in Wyoming is over 3.5x more important than a vote from California.


That isn't equalizing, that is downright discriminatory and anti-democratic. The provider states like Massachusetts, New York, California, etc need to start withholding the welfare payments they make to keep states like Mississippi, etc in business until this is changed.

[InnovativeAmerican]

An electoral system is only reasonable when their side loses.

[InnovativeAmerican]

Originally Posted by sub

I hope you don't feel this way concerning racial issues.
Just because it doesn't necessarily pertain to race, it doesn't mean that plight of rural America is any less important. We're still talking about people who are often overlooked, marginalized, and underrepresented.

Weren't you bashing me not too long ago for talking about race? That user didn't even bring up race.

I wonder if you'd rationalize this atrocious behavior in BARABOO: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.a4e3af5acbae

Just goes to show you how racist Wisconsin is. By the way, governor-elect Tony Evers has already condemned these students' actions......but not our current governor Scooter. Stuff like this has been happening right under Walker's nose, yet he almost never condemns racist behavior. Just goes to show you what Republicans are all about, and people like you keep proving my point everyday. Unarmed black men and minorities are losing their lives to explicit biases everyday, yet we have to keep our mouths shut.

[Milwaukee City]

Remember when Obama won and all those republicans screamed, blocked traffic, torched cars, looted, protested and burnt a Starbucks? Oh yeah me neither. While Trump maybe a buffoon 99.8% of our party is normal human beings who do not live and breather or die for politics for we have our own religion and politics is not our religion. Meanwhile you have a good 30-40% of democrats that scream at officials, show up at their house and protest, chase them out of restaurants, post their phone and address on line, launch a recall at their homes. You have Gordon Hintz who threatened a female republican official by saying "Hintz “walked right up and said what he said. ‘You are F-ing dead.’ Said the whole thing,” she told me — he didn't leave out anything between the F and the -ing." Face it, so many democrats are fine with these people and how they act because they agree with them politically. Most people would be ashamed to act this way.




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[ccjarider]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Ah great, more talking down and spouting middle school level civics. That's grand.


What is allows for is someone living in a remote rural area to have FAR MORE power than someone living in NYC. It makes no sense at all.


And, since places like NY, CA, etc really support much of the rural states financially (look at the net flow of tax dollars), then yes, the people in these places should have EQUAL standing.

Dude. What’s with the condescending ahole attitude? You should be in s happy place.

[MassVt]

The House is the population-based counter balance to the Senate...

Some might argue that the Electoral College is the mixing of the Senate and the House, in terms of voting impact per person..

[Empidonax]

Originally Posted by Milwaukee City

Remember when Obama won and all those republicans screamed, blocked traffic, torched cars, looted, protested and burnt a Starbucks? Oh yeah me neither. While Trump maybe a buffoon 99.8% of our party is normal human beings who do not live and breather or die for politics for we have our own religion and politics is not our religion. Meanwhile you have a good 30-40% of democrats that scream at officials, show up at their house and protest, chase them out of restaurants, post their phone and address on line, launch a recall at their homes.

Most of the people who block traffic, etc. aren't Democrats. They may consider themselves "liberal" or "progressive" or some other term, however. And some or many may vote for Democratic candidates during elections. But many of the people you reference consider Dems to be too mainstream and boring.

And where on Earth did you get that 30-40% figure? That's just out of left field (pun intended). Perhaps, then, the conservatives who send pipe bombs to Dems, shoot up schools, and bully people at abortion clinics are 30-40% of Republicans?

Yeah, I didn't think so, either.

Most Dems and Republicans are very decent people, even if their beliefs are sometimes ideological. Unfortunately, the kind of nonsense you dredged up is defining people on both sides of the political divide, and that's making divisions worse in this country.

Now, I need to get back to protesting and throwing bottles at cars. Busy night.

(BTW: Nothing wrong with non-violent protest.)

You have Gordon Hintz who threatened a female republican official by saying "Hintz “walked right up and said what he said. ‘You are F-ing dead.’ Said the whole thing,” she told me — he didn't leave out anything between the F and the -ing." Face it, so many democrats are fine with these people and how they act because they agree with them politically. Most people would be ashamed to act this way.

1. It may be beneficial to learn the difference between a Democrat and people of other left-leaning persuasions. Similarly, many people would do well to understand the nuances in terms such as "Republican," "conservative," etc. And then, there are the folks (such as anarchists) who aren't left-wing or right-wing.

2. It's helpful not to let specific examples of injustices--even a long list of such travesties--pass for evidence and logic used to vilify a large group of people (such as approximately a twentieth of the total electorate). If Trump has done a lot of terrible things (there's video proof!!), should we make some broad, negative conclusions about all Republicans, then? If a bunch of white frat boys are caught making racist remarks and actions, and if a bunch of rednecks somewhere form a hate group against racial or ethnic minorities, should we slam the entire Republican Party for it? Sounds like silly logic to me.

3. Some people need to turn off the tv, turn down the radio dial, and embrace what's really important. It's possible that your post--and the ridiculous numbers (30-40% !!) are a product of too much media influence tugging at your emotions. It never hurts to rise above the noise and try to get a little perspective. Americans (including nearly most Dems!) are not as bad as you think they are.