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at the top end perhaps, but how about for those 'middle managent/skill set' situations?
could hardly say they are particularly demanding, especially on the physical side.
How is a nice cushy office job (at mid-level) that much more of a drain than working at Burger King?
You're making general statements. I can just turn that around by saying: "How is getting paid to do what I do in my backyard BBQ difficult or draining?"
The devil is always in the details.
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does 'value' to society have any role to play in the job situation these days?
or is it just a case of get as much as you can....me first...
In what sense? How do you define value to society? How do you differentiate or compare what a teacher, community activist does vs. what an entertainer does through their charitable cause? Is one valued more because of their direct involvement vs. another who simply provides the means?
Why are you so fixated on the physical nature of a job? How physically difficult a job is is fairly meaningless.
Those in the middle management side have difficult jobs due to the responsibility/stress concerned with their duties. When the livelihoods of the few dozen people who work for you as well as the success or failure of hundreds of thousands of dollars of project work of someone else's money depends on what you do on a daily basis, the downside to making a mistake is greatly exaggerated.
Burger flipper: make one mistake, grab another patty and make a new burger
Middle manager: make one mistake, 12 people potentially lose their bonuses or possibly get fired
And you tell me that the burger flipper has it just as bad?
In fact, if I make a mistake it could potentially affect a list of 16,000,000 people and revenue of upwards of $300K. To say my job is only a little bit important is quite an understatement. I love my job and get paid very well for that exact reason.
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This is a joke, right?
Y'all need to go actually see or have these jobs and then your opinion will be worth two cents.
Agreed. Most of the "office workers" defending ourselves here HAVE worked low end retail or burger flipper jobs. The same cannot be said for the OP. Our jobs are much more mentally taxing.
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Originally Posted by Kenneth-Kaunda
does 'value' to society have any role to play in the job situation these days?
or is it just a case of get as much as you can....me first...
As mentioned above, I help a company obtain a 200% Return on Investment on average for each campaign I execute. This equates to revenue of up to $300K PER campaign. Now please tell me how a burger flipper is crucial in making even 1/10th of that in any given year? Much less a single campaign a week. Even for those who may not be as valuable in a measurable sense. There are still many of us who are college educated and our intellectual property (brains) are worth more than the mighty hands the burger flipper uses. Hands, which just so happen to be standard in 99% of births. Before you say everyone has brains, note that I was referring to what is housed IN those brains. We have intellect that sells.
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Originally Posted by Kenneth-Kaunda
4 years doing a degree, especially in a soft subject, paid for by a government grant, is a piece of cake.
Most students spend their first 2 years hanging out in the bars chasing skirt.
How is that harder than working full time in Macdonalds for low pay?
HA! This statement alone tells me you have no clue how the world works. First off, I didn't get my education paid for. I AM paying for it. It also wasn't a "piece of cake". If it is so easy why DONT YOU DO IT? You will have a cushy office job like the rest of us.
The whole goal of going to college and getting an education is that so someday your LIFE will be easier because you won't have to work hard labor to obtain a decent paycheck. I would admit my life is easier because of my college education but I do not agree that the job itself is easier. Our jobs are much more mentally taxing instead of physically.
Haha, I often have to bite my tongue to keep myself from saying the same thing when people tell me my job sounds easy. I own my own a company. Business has been pretty good, actually. It's taken me 2 degrees and almost 10 years in the industry to get this far.
To keep your sanity, just keep in mind the dunning kruger effect. People who flip burgers can't help feeling the way they do.
If you really thought that then you would be back in the burger bar.
so, sorry, that is an empty statement.
Wrong again. The reason I'm not back "in the burger bar" is because I know it doesn't pay well. I want to make more money so I have applied myself and done what I needed to do so that I could make more money.
In what sense? How do you define value to society? How do you differentiate or compare what a teacher, community activist does vs. what an entertainer does through their charitable cause? Is one valued more because of their direct involvement vs. another who simply provides the means?
High value to society = providing practical, positive usage.
Low value to society = providing unnecessary pseudo-usage
eg: high end lawyer, entertainer, advertising exec, tv pundit, salesman, insurance person and the like.
the wages for these two types should be inverted, with the top example earning more (or at least the same)
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