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Old 08-14-2014, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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A little more background that might help explain the "focus". Our Company does recruiting almost exclusively on college campuses. The process involves summer leadership programs, on campus job fairs, dinners, and fun activities like bowling. After all of these events you really just need one person to vouch for you to get invited to interview (and a 3.0 gpa in a specific major). Unless you are in the top 1% of prospects, you also need to do a paid spring internship. That rules out most people serious about college athletics. I don't see any diversity at the campus level so its impossible to get diverse interviewees.

Also, most of the recruiting is done by people under 35. I don't think our generation really has strong biases against hiring a diverse workforce, it just isn't available. I just think that our Company should treat everyone without regard to skin color and focus on getting the best students, not on diversity.
For example, your company could make an effort to recruit at black colleges (they happen to be really diverse these days). Or put a few phone calls into the black student union, asian student union, latino student union etc...whatever the school has. For all you know, 3.0 students could be floating around and had no idea you were recruiting on campus. Or you could reach out to the appropriate sorority and fraternity organizations. It isn't that hard if you make a bit more effort. You can just look at marketing these events differently. Instead of focusing only on the groups in a particular major, find the groups that attract people from all kinds of majors and a diverse background.

You can also do mixers, meet up groups etc. I work in tech, and I know of a special meet up group with every ethnicity. In fact, those meet ups are pretty diverse too. One local tech company sponsors/hosts the events and invites their recruiters to speak. Boom, instant diverse candidates that are dedicated enough to do professional development outside of work!
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Old 08-14-2014, 04:44 PM
 
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So basically, your HR Director has very poor communication skills.

What they're really trying to get across is that the companies wants to hire more minorities (likely to meet an EEOC/affirmative action quota) without actually letting the applicants know that you're hiring them because of their race/ethnicity by asking them race/ethnicity-related questions, to avoid discrimination lawsuits.

Either way, I wouldn't want to work for this type of company knowing this crap was going on (as a minority myself). It's not technically illegal, but it is a poor business practice.


ok why did we end up with eeo? jim crow is why stop talking crazy here.jim crow was still the law of the land 50 years ago in employment and did not really start to go away until the 80's.but there are still racists in hiring positions and you know it
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Old 08-14-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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The government doesn't impose quotas by law, that's correct.

But employers can disguise them as "goals" within the organization.
so you tell folks to not commit crime, go to school then blackball them after they graduate from college is what you mean
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Old 08-14-2014, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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How do you reach out to minorities? Don't they look at the same job listing sites as everyone else?
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Old 08-14-2014, 04:52 PM
 
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A goal is not a quota, a company cannot discriminate base on achieving a goal. A company can still be hit with a discrimination finding if they discriminated against other groups in pursuit of a goal for a specific group.

But, the BS thing about goals is they are only set for non-whites and women, whites and males do not get goals, the gov does not mandate any company to set goals for whites and males. Yea, that is gov sponsored discrimination.


you got to be kidding me!!!!!you did not learn any history in school, go read about jim crow and the black codes.state and federal racism was law in this country against blacks just 50 yrs ago
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Old 08-14-2014, 05:28 PM
 
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you got to be kidding me!!!!!you did not learn any history in school, go read about jim crow and the black codes.state and federal racism was law in this country against blacks just 50 yrs ago
What does your post and history have to do with anything I stated?

Are you implying only whites can discriminate? DO I need to bring up successful lawsuit after lawsuit showing whites and makes that have been discriminated against?

Are you implying there are no areas in the US where whites are the minority?

Are you implying there are no companies in the US where whites are the minority of employees?

Please elaborate what your post has to do with goals, and the fact goals are only mandated to be set for females and minorities? Did you know that in setting these goals, many minority groups are overlooked because there is discrimination against and among individual minority groups? So these goals are actually counter productive in increasing a diversified workforce because the gov is only going to look at "minorities", not the fact that Hispanics are discriminating against other minority groups by hiring Hispanics only. The gov would have to invest much more resources into investigating that disparate impact/treatment, in which the prima facie of it would most likely encourage the investigator to pass it up.
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Old 08-14-2014, 05:48 PM
 
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A goal is not a quota, a company cannot discriminate base on achieving a goal. A company can still be hit with a discrimination finding if they discriminated against other groups in pursuit of a goal for a specific group.

But, the BS thing about goals is they are only set for non-whites and women, whites and males do not get goals, the gov does not mandate any company to set goals for whites and males. Yea, that is gov sponsored discrimination.
This is not true. Some historically black colleges have been forced to recruit white people.

Welcoming diversity does not clash with prohibiting discrimination. A lot of the time, the lack of diversity comes from discrimination. This has been proven in studies showing that employers discriminate against "black-sounding" names.

Affirmative Action does not set hiring quotas; it sets recruiting goals. Hiring quotas are illegal unless they are set by the government to correct proven discrimination within an organization.
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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This is not true. Some historically black colleges have been forced to recruit white people.
I was implying within the context of goals. There are no goals mandated by any where in the CFR for males and whites.
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:02 PM
 
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White male military veterans and white women have benefited greatly from affirmative action - likely white women more than anyone.
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:51 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Ugh I hate it when "diversity" is discussed in terms of race only.

So, I as a white woman would be a less desirable candidate for an IT job than an Indian man with identical skills even though women are sorely underrepresented in IT?

Total crap.
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