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Absolutely not true. Yes, there will be a 4-year lag between the time it's ended and the time we start producing STEM specialists domestically in anything resembling reasonable numbers. However, the beautiful thing about a lot of areas within STEM (particularly on the tech side) is that people can be quickly ramped up in a matter of months to at least be capable with proper corporate training. The issue is corporations aren't willing to provide that anymore.
But if you were to tell them that the H1b's they have now are the last one's they're going to get, and they aren't going to get anymore, you can bet your ass that most of them (the well-run ones, at any rate) would very quickly pivot to ensure that they get a smooth transition out of visa-land.
Your statement about lowering the rankings of universities is not only bizarre and inaccurate, but completely misplaced. People don't come to colleges here on H1b visas.
And - if we're being entirely honest - most of these H1b's that are being brought over with their "Master's Degrees") are bordering on functionally incompetent. Their skillset is 2 steps above a pay-by-mail degree mill.
The only truthful statement you made was that companies dependent on H1b visas will "close down" - although that, too is incorrect. Companies like Tata will simply have to focus their efforts elsewhere. And really, the well-being of a niche industry that was formed to LITERALLY act as locusts against the American worker shouldn't even be a consideration.
I mean, quite literally, I just had a conversation about this in relation to parenting about a week ago. I was asked if I'd push for my kid to follow in my footsteps and enter this industry, and I emphatically said no f'ing way would I direct my kid into this lifestyle. Think about that for a moment - a guy who makes about half a million dollars a year when it's all said and done stating that he wouldn't want his kid to enter the same industry because of how uncertain that kid's future would be - and that's 100% because of the invasion of foreign workers and bad corporate citizenship. That's a real problem.
The universities are abusing a program known as OPT. Also, someone mentioned the F1 visas too.
You may not have much exposure outside of IT and cert salad but there are actual blue collar jobs with no academic degree filled by H1B and some of those expat contracts are lucrative and stipulate sponsorship.
Any numbers out on H4 employment and anticipated changes?
Correct. I've even seen where they were using H1B visas for soccer coaches.
Why do I care if we dont flood the market with subpar forign workers?
I never said that, and I do want to reform the h1b program so that they can't underbid american workers.
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Why would they be lower ranked, they can still maintain standards and if that results in a lower enrollment so be it, subsizidize the rest with the 90% taxes you take from mega corps.
Because some of the rankings include international student directly, international students are being used as free/cheap labour at universities, international students have a lot contacts from overseas and universities can't get foreign researchers.
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So what if they close down, I am tired of buisness existing that should have went bankrupt decades ago due to having a poor buisenss model. Out sourcing will also soon be shut down, if they want to leave the country and stop doing buisness with the USA at all, fine.
Most people I know want to overhaul the H1B system, not completely eliminate it.
Lots of people want to completly get rid of rhe H1B system and replace it with nothing. I am arguing against those people, not the people who want to reform it. I want to reform it too.
We are issuing 600,000 - 700,000 student F1 visas annually. The H1B cap is 65,000 annually with an additional 20,000 for F1 to H1B conversions. Only a very small fraction of international students are here for an H1B.
F1 visas do not just include 4 year university students, it includes high school students, 1-year students and language students. It also includes students who are not that serious about their studies. I know people who stayed in the US permenently after their studies, it is not impossible or unrealistic for good students.
Many international students at top US universities are thinking about getting a green card. Some will succeed, some will fail. If you tell them they have zero change of getting a green card, then many of them will choose another country.
That is not good news for US university rankings, and this decline will also affect companies who may outsource or close down. If you are not gaining a lot of jobs, then what is the point of ending the program?
Lots of people won't to completly get rid of rhe H1B system and replace it with nothing. That will cause a lot of damage.
Maybe if we got rid of it half the people in the US getting STEM degrees could actually find work in their major. And maybe if we can't get enough people to get STEM degrees it's time for the government or business to start doing things to lower the cost of college. IMO the HIB program causes far more damage than would ever be inflicted if it were eliminated.
Maybe if we got rid of it half the people in the US getting STEM degrees could actually find work in their major. And maybe if we can't get enough people to get STEM degrees it's time for the government or business to start doing things to lower the cost of college. IMO the HIB program causes far more damage than would ever be inflicted if it were eliminated.
That is really the wrong statistics, you should rather look at STEM students who are unemployed or doing unskilled work.
And let me tell you something. To get a job in a STEM field you need to be in the right location, you need to be good at what you are doing, and you need to be in the correct STEM field. A lot of STEM students can't find jobs in their fields, because they are not very good or their degree is not in demand.
For instance, why would you hire a IT graduate who are bad at programming if you can just hire a team in India. The reason they don't do all of their IT projects abroad, is because outsourced IT projects tend to be of terrible quality. If the quality is terrible no matter what, then there is no point of hiring an American worker.
That is really the wrong statistics, you should rather look at STEM students who are unemployed or doing unskilled work.
And let me tell you something. To get a job in a STEM field you need to be in the right location, and you need to be good at what you are doing. A lot of STEM students can't find jobs in their fields, because they are not very good.
For instance, why would you hire a IT student who are bad at programming if you can just hire a team in India. The reason they don't do all of their IT projects abroad, is because indian programmers are terrible. If the quality is terrible no matter what, then there is no point of hiring an American worker.
Nonsense, it's not that Americans lack the skills it's that foreign H1B workers will work cheaper and are far less likely to complain if they aren't paid overtime or are given really crap assignments or hours. I can't think of anything that makes me more angry than laying off an American workforce and then ordering them to train their H1B replacements. https://www.computerworld.com/articl...lacements.html
F1 visas do not just include 4 year university students, it includes high school students, 1-year students and language students. It also includes students who are not that serious about their studies. I know people who stayed in the US permenently after their studies, it is not impossible or unrealistic for good students.
Many international students at top US universities are thinking about getting a green card. Some will succeed, some will fail. If you tell them they have zero change of getting a green card, then many of them will choose another country.
That is not good news for US university rankings, and this decline will also affect companies who may outsource or close down. If you are not gaining a lot of jobs, then what is the point of ending the program?
Straw man. You may find a few extremists calling for a complete end but it's just a frustrated over-reaction due to the abuses of the H1B system. Most rational people understand the need to import labor where it is truly needed and not available domestically. But "if you give an inch they'll take a mile" comes to mind. The ink won't be dry on any reforms before the H1B shops are devising ways around it.
Nonsense, it's not that Americans lack the skills it's that foreign H1B workers will work cheaper and are far less likely to complain if they aren't paid overtime or are given really crap assignments or hours. I can't think of anything that makes me more angry than laying off an American workforce and then ordering them to train their H1B replacements. https://www.computerworld.com/articl...lacements.html
First off I want to reform the h1b system so that doesn't happen.
Secondly, there are countries that recieve very little high skilled immigration such as India, China, eastern europe, southern europe. Does that mean all of their STEM students are able to get relevant jobs, no way.
No employer wants a bad student, and they don't want a stem student with an irrelevant degree either. If they can't find anyone, then they will outsource, close down or just pay for someone with experience. Some students will not be able to find work in their field, that is the reality everywhere.
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